If you don't support same sex marriage, you're no "friend" of mine.

[David__77]

It's been repeated countless times. Comments like these found on the internet: "I love my gay friends but our children shouldn't be forced to learn alternative lifestyles."

Or "I work in the entertainment business and have a few gay friends but am sick and tired of being bashed if I have a point of view that is different from others, meaning YES on 8 and that it should be between a man and women."

And the particularly disgusting "I personally have many gay friends but I do not agree with homosexuality, and they are all fully aware of that, but we still remain friends."

Well, I want to make it clear that if you oppose homosexuality, think it's immoral, or oppose equal rights for gay people YOU ARE NOT MY FRIEND.

People always made fun of the racist who used lines about "I have Black friends" to use as a shield against being exposed as a backward, evil person. Gay people need to rip that shield out of the hands of those who would oppress others!

[Skittles]

1. I agree, David

absolutely

[MNBrewer]

2. Totally agree!

Someone like that is not a "friend".... they're enemies.

[blue sky at night]

3. yo David_77....

I feel sickened by the vote in CA....and I have always thought it was such a progressive place, of course the undue influence of the asshole mormons must have had something to do with it.

But I have a question: Doesn't this thing still have to pass a 2/3rds majority and another vote by the electorate before it becomes law???






CHange, HOpe, OBama/BIden...................!!

[David__77]

8. No, just 50%+1 required for any amendments.

The question now is whether or not it was a valid "amendment" under the constitution or if it was a more thorough, fundamental "revision" requiring 2/3 legislative approval as well. We will hear from the state Supreme Court.

[stray cat]

4. I guess that include Obama and Biden and anyone who fights for civil unions?

even though both disagreed with what happened in CA

[David__77]

7. Obama and Biden are not objectively working against marriage equality.

I do disagree with their tactic of stating "marriage is between a man and a woman" in order to placate reactionaries. But it's also true that they are not materially opposing marriage equality. They opposed Proposition 8, while, for instance, Kerry actually supported a Massachusetts anti-gay marriage amendment in 2004. Actions speak louder than words. Work for civil unions, fine. But work to obstruct marriage rights, and yes, you're no friend.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

19. I'm fine with what Barack and Joe said to get elected.

They just need to make sure the Supreme Court Justices Pres Obama nominates believe in equal rights for GLBT's and ALL people.

[GreenInNC]

5. Discrimination is wrong

Plain and simple, it is wrong.

[Ian David]

6. We got your back! n/t

[DarkTirade]

9. I can't think of a more succinct way of putting it than you just did.

:thumbsup:

[Independent_Voice]

10. Well, since I'm a gay dude, and I've always fought for same-sex marriage

I guess we're friends! :)

[mitchtv]

11. Hi David

I am old and out of circulation. I long ago jettisoned such people from my phone book. My family is pretty cool, as is partner's big Mex Family

[Hepburn]

12. I totally agree....

...and I am sick and tired of the discriminationa that seems to be so pervasive against this one segment of our society. It needs to end....PERIOD!

IMO, until EVERYONE is equal, NO ONE is equal!

[northofdenali]

13. I back marriage for any adult who wants it.

Period.

With all the risks, rights, heartaches, benefits, loss and joy that the institution brings.

Period.

Anyone who feels threatened by same-sex marriage has real problems with fear and insecurity, usually in their own marriages or relationships.

So, sweet David, :pals:?? Sure hope so!

[bluedawg12]

14. Yes! That's what drove me away from a forum after 8 years

it was a non-political forum, then, someone started an anti-P8 thread and all of the masks fell off and the hate came out.

I really blew my stack when I learned P8 was failing on Tuesday night and am never going back to those straight bigots.

And they all started with, "I have some gay friends, I love them dearly but...it's immoral, makes me nauseated to watch them kiss...etc, etc.,.etc...WTF!!!!????????

I told them I don't want gay hating trash in my life and left. I was sad and angry and hurt but mostly angry.

We cannot let oursaelves get walked all over like we were nothing of value.

[RetiredTrotskyite]

15. Amen!

I have as friends only those who are accepting and supportive. I get enough of the other crap in the larger world. I do not need those who hate us to be in my life and I make every effort to exclude them. Yes, this limits my circle of friends, but the ones I have are friends indeed.

For a gay person to put up with the sort of people who would mouth, "I love gays, but...." or "I have gay friends, but..." is nothing short of masochistic. It certainly has no place in my life nor that of my spouse.

[bluedawg12]

17. One of the biggest lies: I love my gay friends, but..." n/t

[GRLMGC]

16. Agreed!

I know this girl who was running her mouth about how, as a Christian, she couldn't possibly support gay marriage which is an "abomination". However, she claimed, she still had gay friends and loved in them in spite of their "sin". Wow! How fucking generous of her! How can you possibly claim to be someone's friend and think it's perfectly fine to take away their rights. Especially when these rights do not affect her in anyway. I tried to explain but it was like talking to a brick wall. It's very difficult to get through to these people. I wasn't even abrasive about it. I tried my hardest to be calm and rational. Frankly, insulting them is more satisfying :evilgrin:

[bluedawg12]

18. Would they for one minute tolerate, "Your life is immoral but

I guess, you are my friend...blah blah blah."

Not for a second. They would be offended if we attacked them on some core attribute.