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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:13 PM
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"There are no gay or lesbian people in Sudan"
Sudanese primate wants Robinson's resignation

Spokesman says New Hampshire bishop won't resign

By Mary Frances Schjonberg,

"Gene Robinson has to be away from the Anglican world and be a normal Christian, said Deng at an afternoon news conference. "If he is, as he always says, a Christian, he should resign for the sake of the church."

Asked if he has talked to Robinson, Deng replied, "I have nothing to say to him."

He also said he cannot participate in the Anglican Communion's Listening Process because homosexuality is not "approved by the Bible" and "is not part of my culture, I cannot talk about it." Deng said there are no gay or lesbian people in Sudan. Mike Barwell, a spokesman for Robinson, noted that there have been numerous calls for Robinson to remove himself beginning soon after he was elected to be bishop of New Hampshire.

"He's been very clear that he will not step down," Barwelll said. "He has also been very clear that if he were to step down, the issue of gay clergy and gay bishops would not go away." Robinson was giving a "View from the Fringe" at the Kent Business School on the University of Kent campus (where most of the Lambeth Conference is taking place) while Deng was holding his news conference.

Barwell suggested that Deng's demand for Robinson's resignation was a matter for the Episcopal Church's House of Bishops and Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori.

"The fact remains that it is not the House of Bishops that is meeting right now at Lambeth," said the Rev. Dr. Charles Robertson, canon to the Presiding Bishop. "This is a gathering of invitees who twice have the opportunity to meet within the context of their province."

Deng and the other Sudanese bishops issued their call for Robinson's resignation in a statement earlier in the day and Deng then held a news conference later in the day. The bishops also released a statement about the current situation in Sudan. The latter statement was addressed to the Archbishop of Canterbury, all the communion's other archbishops, bishops and clergy. The Robinson statement had no such addressees listed. Both statements were signed only by Deng.

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http://www.episcopalchurch.org/79901_99260_ENG_HTM.htm
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:29 PM
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1. Sudanese primate?


Religious titles are a hoot!
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 11:15 AM
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4. From Latin primatus, "one who is first"; from Latin primus, "first"
In a biological sense, "one who is first" means of the first order of beings, ie humans and related species.

In an ecclesiatical sense, "one who is first" means someone with recognized authority to lead, ie a bishop.

The ecclesiastical sense was used as far back as the Roman Kingdom, some 2300 years ago. The biological sense has existed for only about 150 years.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 11:26 AM
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5. From the Malay orang and utan, man of the forest
Somehow, the hairy reddish primate seems less offensive than the Sudanese primate.

Which gives me another opportunity to plug my favorite video on ecclesiastical matters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:39 PM
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7. dont insult oran utans. they are adorable and kind and sweet. nt
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:34 PM
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2. What is wrong with these people.
There is genocide taking place in their country and they are worried about people's sex life. If there is a god, he or she will be very angry with these sickos.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:37 PM
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3. Ironically
the murders and sexual persecution both stem from the same root: religion.
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-23-08 07:04 PM
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6. So stupidity is an international problem. Nothing new there. nt
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 07:54 PM
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8. Technically, for the Paulines marriage isn't approved, either.
That's really the deal here. Jesus had precious little to say to anyone in a homosexual relationship (save one case, where he commended the Centurion for his faith and told him that that faith had cured his "boy"), while Paul said that marriage is only for those people that can't be appropriate and control their lusts.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 10:06 PM
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9. He is an uncultured "primate" indeed
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Karl_Bonner_1982 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 11:34 PM
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10. "No gays in Sudan" We've heard this before...
...Remember the "no gays in Iran" remark a couple years ago by Ahmedinejad (sp?)?

Only this time it's a Christian making the remark...I wonder how the American fundies are going to handle it?

For that matter, what was the response of Bush-type conservatives when Ahmedinejad made the remark?
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