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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:35 PM
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These forums really need to be purged of those that do not support gay marriage
GD :P is KILLING me. :(
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:40 PM
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1. There are people here who don't support it?
That's bizarre to me. It's like not supporting integration.
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:44 PM
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6. Well there are 32 people who voted 'no' in a GD:P poll
Some may be trolls, but not all of them.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:46 PM
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7. See for yourself.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

:\

At least one of them was just a troll who was trying to get people worked up for his own amusement. Don't know about the rest.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:41 PM
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2. What's it to them who marrys who?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:42 PM
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4. Teh homosexuals is why they can't get an erection.
If a gay person is having sex within six miles of their home, their penis stops working.

They know this is true, because if they concentrate hard on figuring out which guys near them are gay, and what kind of gay sex they must be having, their penises start working again.

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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:45 PM
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27. LOL
:)
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:42 PM
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3. Well
As it has been said before...if you're opposed to same-sex marriage, don't attend one.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that people oppose two people in love honoring their committment by getting married. Especially on a progressive web site such as Democratic Underground. I guess I'm stupid and naive in thinking that way.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:44 PM
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5. If it could just stop being an issue it would be just fine...
I mean ...who really cares..who marries who...
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:47 PM
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8. A purge? Ouch!
What about people who support the death penalty?
What about "Christians"?
What about Texans?

Those are my pet peeves.
Can we purge them too?
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:55 PM
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13. Skinner has said that those who do not support gay rights, should not stay on DU
It's his site, and I wish he'd act upon it.
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:05 PM
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15. So, he'd purge
Most democratic presidential candidates?

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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 07:11 PM
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32. Only if they came here and campaigned against marriage n/t
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 07:47 PM
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34. Except that's not what the OP said
They didn't say ban those who campaigned against gay marriage. The OP said to ban those who did not support it.

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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 07:04 PM
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30. Wait... are you reducing gay marriage/civil equality to a pet peeve?
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 07:04 PM by PelosiFan
Sorry, but that's absolutely insulting.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #30
56. All I see is "Ignored"
Apparently, for good reason.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #8
41. fuck you. civil rights are not pet peeves, asshole.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #41
47. Oooops! Shoulda seen that coming.
Edited on Fri Jul-04-08 12:37 PM by iamahaingttta
Clumsy wording.
I'm sorry.

(it was the purges i was reacting to. once you start purging, where does it end?)
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 11:12 AM
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52. as though purging from a website is such a fucking big deal. we purge racists here all the time
and we purge republicans.

i think we should purge assholes who call civil rights, pet peeves

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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:50 PM
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9. That's Quite a Love of Censorship You Have There.
You might want to be careful; that's the kind of thing that comes around to bite you in the ass.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:53 PM
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11. Nevermind
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 05:09 PM by terrya
It isn't worth it trying to explain my support of equality around here anymore.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:20 PM
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17. Oh, I Get It. I Just Don't Think the Answer is to Exclude People Who Disagree.
If we refuse to engage and educate the people who presumably think the most like us (given their presence on this supposedly liberal website), what chance do we have of educating the rest of the assholes in the world?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:07 PM
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16. You do realize there's no right to free speech on a private website, don't you? nt
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. I Realize There's No Legal Right, Yes. Only a Moral One.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:34 PM
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19. Uh, no.
Democratic Underground does not have to accomodate the opinions of freepers, racists, misogynists, homophobes, or other types of choads. There are numerous websites available to opine about how one doesn't think gay people should have the right to marry. I'm not interested in hearing about it here. And I think most other DUers agree.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:12 PM
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25. I Didn't Say It HAD To, And I'm All Too Aware of How You and Many Others Here Feel.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 04:45 AM
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58. Who are you kidding?
The point of this website is a place for progressives to chat. I assume you don't have a problem with "censorship" when it comes to banning conservatives, racists, etc? If you have a problem with censorship on an internet forum, then I suggest you do not use the internet anymore.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:08 PM
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60. Because I'm Progressive, I DO, In Fact, Have a Problem With Silencing People.
Generally, it's the Freepers who have the attitude of "love it or leave it". That should tell you something.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:50 PM
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63. If you have a problem with censorship, then it's pretty hypocritical to post on this forum
Have you never wondered why, on a forum of 100,000+ people, nobody has ever promoted the Republican party?
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 06:27 PM
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64. No.
I'd imagine that the vast majority of Republicans don't post here for the same reason I don't post on their website: because I'm not interested in their website.

My objections to certain practices on this website are on record, and my conscience is clear about posting here, no matter what you choose to label me in your misguided attempt to justify silencing people.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 11:29 PM
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65. This is hilarious
"I'd imagine that the vast majority of Republicans don't post here for the same reason I don't post on their website: because I'm not interested in their website."

Let's try an experiment... create a new account, and post something positive about John Mccain. Don't insult Obama, or the Democratic party. Simply make a positive post about Mccain. You'll be banned (censored) within 10 minutes. Is that a bad thing? No, it's not. This is a place for progressives to gather and talk. People come here to interact with other progressives, not conservatives. You can debate the merits of that system, but I find it hilarious that you actually deny that plenty of censorship already exists on DU. What do you think moderators are for?
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 04:12 PM
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66. What Are You Talking About?
I never once claimed people weren't being censored on this site. I've said (repeatedly) that I don't APPROVE of people being censored on this site.

I have no doubt that we get Freepers who sign up just to cause trouble. However, I also have no doubt that the vast majority of Republicans don't give a shit about this website and aren't the slightest bit interested in posting here. The mods are free to deal with the small minority of troublemakers however they see fit. I don't make the rules. I'm just lucky enough to be able to bitch about them. But there's a difference between posting just to be a dickhead and posting an honest difference of opinion. Are we supposed to ban the latter just to make sure we've got the former covered?

I don't approve of a lot of what goes on in America, either. Do I have to move to avoid being a hypocrite?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 06:13 PM
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68. We're supposed to ban conservatives
If you don't support gay marriage, you are a conservative.

Check mate.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Sorry, I See My Exit Ramp Coming Up.
But continue talking in circles by yourself, if you like.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:52 PM
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10. I'm for gay marriage, but generally
against purging.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
28. What if we binge first?
:evilgrin:
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 04:54 PM
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12. I'm not against gay marriage
I'm against marriage in general. I tried it three times, and have had three divorces. I think gays should be allowed to suffer too.
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:04 PM
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14. So, you'd purge Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton?
Because neither supports gay marriage

But I do
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 05:56 PM
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20. If thems the rules, then purged they are.
I'd still gladly vote for either over John McInsane.
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:00 PM
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21. Like i said
I support gay marriage. But most dem candidates don't.

So, I find it a little ironic that Democratic Underground would ban posters who agree with the majority of dem candidates (I realize we now have a nominee, but you know what I mean).

That's very ironic.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Only if politics is very new to you. nt
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:08 PM
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24. not at all nt
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 11:36 PM
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35. Maybe, maybe not.
Online communities tend to be more equality-minded, in my experience, than real world ones, I think because the morons who oppose marriage equality are not too bright, loud, big and domineering, and won't let anyone else get a word in edgewise in a real world conversation. Online, however, they have to use their small brains because discussions take a literate form, and they lose (because of course ultimately there is no rational basis for opposing marriage equality, but really they lose because they are so bad at defending their positions). Obviously, if one of the dem candidates came here to Democratic Underground, even if they opposed gay marriage, they would be welcome. It wouldn't be fair to gays here, no, but political power transcends some things, and that's one of them. However, if you are one of the rank-and-file, that's different, and if you insist upon rocking the boat with your opposition to gay marriage, you risk being tombstoned for disruption, though I've never seen anyone tombstoned because of that alone. If Skinner wanted to do that, though, I would be glad to see him do that. As someone else mentioned, this is a private board, and you do not have an entitlement to come here and spread your filthy hate all over the place, and I am NOT interested in hearing it even for one second. :puke:
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 07:04 PM
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29. Now why didn't I think of that?
That's a great idea. I LOVE it.

No :sarcasm:
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 06:51 AM
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40. I'm not sure either qualifies under the "website for Democrats and other progressives"
It assumes that real Democrats are progressive, too. ;)
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Karl_Bonner_1982 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:06 PM
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23. If we purged every forum like that...
Well are we all supposed to think alike on every issue? There are pro-gay Republicans out there and undoubtedly a few of them post as Freepers. We shouldn't be compartmentalizing liberalism and conservatism into two bundles of sheep-herd ideology. Most of us lean across the aisle or at least up onto the fence on at least a few things...

Me? I'm quite centrist, even slightly conservative, when it comes to guns and political correctness. But when it comes to gay equality, income distribution and sustainabliity, I make Noam Chomsky look like a conservative - well not quite, but you should get the idea.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 07:04 PM
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31. It's ok to have different views on equality?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 05:25 PM
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50. Yes, it is.
Because there are political questions and issues around the process of obtaining equality that reasonable people can differ on.
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. Not differing opinions on PROCESS, but rather on equality.
as in whether, not how.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 07:13 PM
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33. As long as you dont come here and post anti marriage stuff there is no problem
I believe skinners statement was for those that use the board to advocate inequality in its fullest form which includes marriage.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. Different viewpoints is one thing...
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 11:41 PM by DarkTirade
but bigotry is another. :shrug:
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 06:45 PM
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26. I think it's probably more effective to educate rather than purge
It is shocking to see some of the opinions expressed around here at times though...
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 11:41 PM
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37. I do think a line has to be drawn though.
This is not a place for open bigotry. Skinner doesn't want it, we don't want it. Sometimes you can open someone's mind... but if someone is dead-set against equal rights, that makes them a bigot. Plain and simple.
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jpcrecom Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-03-08 11:57 PM
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38. question about gay marriage
I got in a debate with some family members about gay marriage.

I know I'm new, so let me just say: I fully support equal rights for gays in every facet of the civil rights issues that they are facing (marriage, adoption, everything)

The rest of my family supported the ignorant (in my view) "traditional" definition of marriage, but that they supported "civil unions or domestic partnerships or whatever they call it".

So in their opinion, the debate is just about the semantics of the word "marriage". But I don't know if it's that simple.

I haven't been able to find a clear definition of what exactly is the difference between "marriage" and "civil union/domestic partnership". I mean the specific rights that marriage affords couples that gays don't get.

I assume these differences diverge from state to state, but at least federally, what are the differences. I think my family (and a lot of others) THINK that civil unions have all the same rights as marriage, but I don't think that's the case - I just can't prove it.

Can anyone spell it out, or since I figure it's a very long drawn out explanation, point me to a site that has a clear list of differences?

Thanks.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 06:29 AM
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39. A couple easy issues:
1) Portability. Two states have same-sex marriage, a couple others provide domestic partnerships, a couple others provide civil unions. If you move from a state that registers domestic partnerships to a state that recognizes civil unions, you're back to legal stranger status. Without uniformity among all 50 states (and the several territories, protectorates, whatever), you're going to have to go through periods where you're back to unrelated status. As the Langbehn-Pond fiasco in Florida recently showed us, even a few hours could mean trouble. And what if you're just driving through? (I still do road trips from Colorado to Illinois that go through 2 other states on a fairly regular basis.)

2) Separate but Equal. I would be okay with mandated civil unions in each state except for the fact that it means that for the rest of time, we'll be fighting battles where expanded benefits are offered to "married" couples, but because the statutes don't include the term "civil union" will not apply to us. The easiest way to finish that argument is to finally declare that marriage (the "civil" portion, with societal and governmental benefits and responsibilities) can happen between same-sex couples.

3) Church and State. There are religious organizations that will marry same-sex couples, but if they marry a straight couple, there are civil rights that go along with it. (Note that a religious institution has never been required to marry any opposite-sex couple that they did not want to marry, whether it be because of religious affiliation, lack of pre-marital counseling, or religious disapproval.)

4) Corporate recognition. There were cases in New Jersey where corporations have skirted the requirements to offer benefits to same-sex partners because of moves in jurisdictions or because they recognize "marriages" and not "civil unions". This relates back to 1).

There are more, but these 4 came at me quite easily.
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dickthegrouch Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #38
53. Here's a list of US Federal Marriage Benefits
Edited on Sat Jul-05-08 02:53 PM by dickthegrouch
Rights_and_responsibilities_of_marriages_in_the_United_States
Every State has additional ones and modifications to the Federal ones.

The most egregious one that both Feds and State routinely violate is the Full faith and Credit clause for reciprocal rights for visitors/immigrants.

IMHO a Same-sex Married couple should sue the Federal government for failing to protect them if one is refused access to the other in a hospital.

The Constitutional distress this idiocy puts us in is utterly intolerable.

(Title changed on edit for readability)
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 09:39 AM
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42. Just to play devil's advocate for a moment...
Edited on Fri Jul-04-08 09:52 AM by AspieGrrl
What about queer/trans folks who don't support gay marriage? Not because they're prejudiced, obviously, but because they don't agree with the idea of marriage or they find it assimilationist? Has anyone here ever read Matt Bernstein Sycamore's writings on the topic?

Granted, I don't agree with that opinion, not at all, but I've found some of it worth listening to.

People who constantly say things against equal rights for queer/trans people should probably be banned, though.

Just my two cents here.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #42
43. If you're against gay marriage because it's "assimilationist"
then don't get married. QED.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #43
44. I never said I was,
it's not something I agree with, but some people do have that opinion.

And yes, I pretty much agree with you.

But I think people should be allowed to voice those views.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 11:01 AM
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45. That wasn't an "AspieGrrl"-you, that was a whomever-you. :)
Sorry about that.
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #42
46. I am ok with that if and only if
the person making the argument does not support marriage for anyone, including straight couples.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #42
54. If they are against people having equal rights, then that is wrong.
Edited on Sat Jul-05-08 06:19 PM by DarkTirade
I don't think there's anything in this world that's black or white... but that one's a pretty close shade.

If they are against state-sanctioned marriage as a whole, that's one thing. But if they say, "I don't think gays should be doing this." and therefore I'm against gays having the right to marry, then that's bigotry. They are in favor of curtailing someone's rights because that someone has the audacity to want to do something that they don't agree with. And that is no different than any other form of bigotry.

And they need to be called on it when it happens.

*edit* Also, you have to remember that people can claim to be anyone on the internet... so there are always trolls saying, "I'm gay, but..." :P
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #42
57. I think they're fucking selfish and ignorant
Just because they don't want to get married, doesn't mean they should deny equal rights to other queers. As far as I'm concerned, they're no better than some freeper.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #42
59. my 2 cents: you can be against your own assimilation, but you're being prejudiced
when you are against my assimilation

the idea that we cannot be prejudiced against our own is silly

dont get married.. but dont tell me i cant have my rights. thats just stupid.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 12:48 PM
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48. Considering people get TS'd for stupid shit that is far less egregious
I agree.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 05:21 PM
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49. No, no purges are needed
I hate the demands for idealogical purity around here.

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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-05-08 06:21 PM
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55. This is kind of an iffy subject though... because there's a question of
ideology, but there's also the question of, 'Is this person just a (*&%ing bigot'? :P

Seriously though, I'm not in support of purging... but I think if someone openly says, "I'm against gay marriage" then you should keep an eye out because odds are good that they're a bigot or a troll trying to get a rise out of someone.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 12:58 PM
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61. This would get locked in any other forum, for any other topic
and it's stupid.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-08 02:26 PM
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62. really? so if i posted in the african american forum, and say racists should be purged
from du. it would get locked?

hardly. :eyes:
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-08 04:27 PM
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67. If someone says "I am a republican and I support John McCain" they'd be banned.
So, why is it stupid to want this site to be progressive enough to ban people who do not agree with civil equality?
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Tektonik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-08 05:24 AM
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70. It's stupid that I have to bring up the topic
When I posted the thread, there were several threads with DU'ers posting some very ignorant shit, and at least one of them was banned thankfully.

Maybe I should not have used the word 'purge', but hell if people post bigoted crap, it should be acted upon.
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