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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:19 PM
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San Francisco is Obama Country, I am Proud to say...
We in San Francisco have not been fooled by Hillary.
Obama is the real deal. Wake up gay America and support Obama.

OBAMA 2008 !
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:21 PM
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1. I'd be curious to know how the Castro district voted
Obama won San Francisco, but not by a huge margin.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:31 PM
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3. Slightly roundabout
but I entered in the 94114 zip code, which is the second gayest zip code in the country after Provincetown, into OpenSecrets.org.

Looks like it went 49% Barack, 39% Hillary, and 9% McCain as far as total donations go. :shrug:


http://www.opensecrets.org/ziplookup/index.php?zip=9411...
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:28 PM
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2. You obviously have been fooled by Obama then.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:45 PM
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4. Sorry , I'm a Democrat
so take thiss kinda of intra-partisan BS to GD-P where it belongs
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:56 PM
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5. obama: scriptures say marriage is only for men and women. congratulations! nt
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:04 PM
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6. How likely do you see the California Supreme Court
coming back with a favorable verdict on same-sex marriage?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:04 PM
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7. i am awake. thanks for being condescending though.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:21 PM
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8. I'm an out and proud lesbian
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 04:22 PM by BuffyTheFundieSlayer
Neither I nor my SO have been fooled by Obama and his sucking up to the evangelical homophobes, his inability to understand who and what we are or what our real needs and issues are. We're not too fond of his wife either.

Take your putrid campaigning to GDP where it belongs.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:17 PM
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10. buff can you imagine the outrage here in bill had said something similar about michelle
and then said "i'm just joking" afterwards?

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:27 PM
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11. You just have no sense of humor
She said she was joking, duh. :sarcasm:

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:54 PM
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13. its all hillarys fault.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:06 AM
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32. You guys all remember that I said Obama would play the "race card?"
Right after McClurkin, I posted that if he would do that, then the "race card" was not far behind.

Seems he's got his own attack dog right in his family to do the dirty work for him.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:20 PM
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42. He and his supporters are playing every card in the deck
Why not? They all work.


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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:45 PM
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9. urasshole.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:49 PM
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12. OMG
I was sitting here wondering how it was possible that this user did not get the memo last time when the thread was finally taken down. Good one.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:34 PM
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16. Well said
:hi:

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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:54 PM
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14. I don't have time to say what I want to say
but I will say this...we are talking about lives here and it is very serious. For you to come in this forum with this kind of bullshit thread again says everything anyone needs to know about you and none of it is good. Take your bullshit and your need to torment people somewhere else. Good lord what in the hell have we been bringing up in this world?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
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15. Meh. San Francisco is Kucinich Country.
Wake up. Real deal. Here goes the prove that heterosexuals don't have the monopoly on morons.
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queerart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:34 AM
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17. And I'm Proud To Say......


That no one is fooled by you.......


You are involved with the Obama campaign on some level.... and most likely a "paid poster"........


So when they (the Obama campaign) send out folks like yourself to do this "hit and run" type of aggrandize ballyhooing for Obama.....


You do more harm than good for your employer...... Do you really think that by insulting the intelligence of others while chiding......


Wake up gay America and support Obama



That it will win over converts for your cause?


More importantly, I rather doubt that you are even Queer... nor live in San Francisco for that matter... (as I doubt a Queer would fail to capitalize the word Gay.... or maybe your just a self loather?)


It's more likely that you are a paid poster working out of a boiler room in Peoria, with 3 kids and a pregnant wife....... while regurgitating talking points for Obama.


This sort of inflammatory post just shows how scared the Obama machine really is........


If you really were the enlightened Gay person that you like to portray yourself as.... you would explain to the GLBT community "WHY" they should vote for Obama.... rather than to loosely cast aspersions like a smug little twat.......


Of course you will be unable to tout Obama's Gay rights voting record... (as little can be shown.... whether it be State or Federal) while trying to win over voters.... but at least try to be creative in explaining your employers point of view...... as I would think that's what they are paying you for....


In the end, all of this blather is simply a Political Baseball game in which each team wants their own guy to win... and nothing more....


As if you really were Queer, you would know that you couldn't slip a piece of paper in between Clinton, Obama, nor McCain on Gay issues.... and that should scare the shit right out of you as you try to sleep at night......


... and save the "Well, Obama Said This, Or That About The GLBT Community Insanity".... (as you wouldn't even give that same free pass to Clinton)....



In the end "Talk Is Cheap, and Land Costs Money"......







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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:09 AM
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19. A lot of pent up anger. Meditation could help you.
Yes, I live in San Francisco in the Castro District and have for many years.
I was a Kucinich supporter but sadly Dennis doesn't have a chance. Barack Obama
inspires me and gives me hope. He also did not make a very poor judgmental decision
by sending our troops to Iraq...Hillary did. As much as you like Hillary that was her
call. My partner of 13 years is a huge Hillary supporter. We will come together to
back whoever wins the Democratic nomination. Some of you really went off on an ugly
evil slant. I am supporting my candidate and giving a shout out to my neighborhood
and city for what I believe was a smart choice. You are entitled to your opinion as
I am mine. I wish you all well and hope that whoever wins the Democratic nomination
that we can all come together to support them and get out the vote.
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queerart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:42 AM
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21. Some of you really went off on an ugly evil slant.......



Meditation Might Indeed Help Me....... I'll keep that in mind.......


And Let Me Suggest That A "Triple H Enema" May Indeed Help You With Your Full Of Shit Attitude.......


So let me see if I understand this correctly........ it's evil to even consider questioning your broad brush statements, correct?......


But it's Ok for you to say whatever you like..... but don't even say anything back to you... as that is a evil thing to do, correct?.....


So what, you're going to pick up your toys and go home? Or maybe you'll want to throw me off your sidewalk?


To equate responding to your post as being "evil" is just as childish as the examples that I have typed out above......


You still didn't tell anyone "WHY" they should vote for your guy..... For Christ sakes... he's your pick, can't you come up with any reason others in the GLBT community should vote for him because everybody in the Castro is? Cause I got news for you.... Just because the Castro District is voting for him.... the rest of the country might not care.....


I will however give you marks for you saying:


(I wish you all well and hope that whoever wins the Democratic nomination
that we can all come together to support them and get out the vote.)


But in the end, if you really hope for that outcome (that everyone will come together).... you have to quit rubbing peoples noses in shit......


Does your religious background that you tout (eg. Meditation could help you) really encourage you to act in such a dismissive, and superior manner of others? I don't believe it does..... so I suggest that you may need to pick up a mirror, and take a good hard look at yourself as well....




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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:22 PM
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28. K&R that if I could
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:00 AM
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18. We? Do I know you?
Until Obama secures the nomination, San Francisco is anything but "Obama Country".

Now, go drive your bandwagon around GD: P until you're so dizzy you puke.
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:14 AM
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20. The primary in California is over.
Hillary won in California but Obama won in San Francisco and in the Castro District as previously
noted in this thread.Just F.Y.I.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:49 AM
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22. Yes it is. That means California is "Hillary Country".
Here's the Democratic Presidential Preference results from the City and County of San Francisco Department of Elections. As you can see, Obama's margin isn't substantial enough to declare San Francisco "Obama Country"; much less a precedent for LGBT people to jump on your bandwagon.

When Obama is the nominee you can say "Obama County" with a little more integrity.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:08 PM
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24. Ah yes, the center of the known World
Castro X 18th St. Don't get me wrong I love it, but.... hillary won CA. Obama crossed us, now grovel beeach. don't come around all triumphantly and shit.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:07 AM
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23. Wake up gay America?
FUCK YOU STRAIGHT AMERICA!
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:11 PM
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25. Go away
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:47 PM
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26. i'm in your neck of the woods - and i didn't vote for the Anointed One. nt
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:19 PM
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27. And they say the GD:P is bad... how sad.
Moral of the story: Vote democrat in November. Nothing else matters now for most of us who've already voted.
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:44 AM
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29. Obama 2008

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 02:47 AM
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30. Do you really think you're going to convince anybody here?
Or is it actually your intent to annoy?

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:44 AM
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35. I would say his intent is more than just to "annoy"
But we're not allowed to call people that.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:52 AM
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37. We're not?
Oh.

But we can say that we are annoyed right? As in, "I am annoyed by this (fill in the blank) Obama supporter."
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:15 PM
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41. I would agree
I don't get this whole "all the other gays are doing it so why aren't you" notion. Why does everybody assume we are some big monolith? If Melissa Etheridge jumped off a cliff does everybody assume we'd follow? Then why should we vote Obama just because she is?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:20 PM
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43. I find it very disappointing that gay people can actually support Obama
Both Obama and his "fans" have made it very obvious they don't need our votes.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:58 PM
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46. I also find it very disappointing that our fellow democrats
are more willing to either vote for John McCain (i.e. Bush III) or abstain rather than vote for him even if one considers him at best the lesser of two evils. Isn't abstention simply a half vote for McCain? Isn't a vote for McCain also a vote for DOMA, DADT, and anti-ERA? Are we not responsible for our inactions just as much as we are for our actions? I fail to see the problem with just voting democratic in November.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:17 PM
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48. I see plenty more Obama supporters claiming they will not vote for Clinton
than the other way around. What's your point?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:19 PM
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49. I will vote for either... but I know the danger of just "sitting at home"
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 04:23 PM by nothingtoofear
on election night. We don't need McCain to win most of all. I hope I'm not too bold to say that we should all agree with that. And the polls say otherwise about Obama people not voting for Clinton.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:24 PM
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51. I think most of us here will vote for the democratic nominee whoever it is
and I think the ones who don't hurt us. I used to be more idealistic. Now I finally understand that we can never have the leader we need. But we can at least choose not to have the leader we know will just hurt us more.

If Obama is our nominee, he has my vote. And he will also have my campaigning to him as our leader for our equality.

My preference is for them to share the ticket. I don't really care which one is which at this point. I just don't want McCain there.

I am really resenting the Obama fervency here though. Completely ignoring his faults and bashing Hillary at every turn. Makes me sick.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:36 PM
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52. I agree, but in all fairness, we're all attacking each other, Obama and Clinton supports together.
Oh well, like I've said before: just 8 more months... just 8 more months... :banghead: :banghead:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:29 AM
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66. Then that makes you unique.
I cannot count the number of times I have heard here, or in the papers, or on some talk show that "We support OBAMA, and Clinton is not an option."

Not exactly designed to "Make Friends and Influence People." Is it?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:01 PM
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55. They're just like fundies
Scream about how evil, bad and unworthy you are, but come to God/Obama anyway so he can cure you.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. Are those your eyes on "Gaytheist"?
Beautiful.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. They are
And thank you. :hi:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #39
64. Liz Taylor should have eyes like those.
I dig eyes. Can you tell?
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #29
106. Stop spamming the GLBT forum
Giant, in-your-face graphics don't make it any more endearing.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #106
112. Ah, but note the rainbow
It's supposed to make us feel all warm and fuzzy about Obama, I guess

...and check our brains at the door.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:58 AM
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31. Got any extra "Armbands?"
I mean, as long as Obama and company are going to convert all of my friends, I want to wear one too.

I want to be in good company.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:49 AM
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33. More GDP shit?
I was getting tired of the Hillary love-fest the GLBT forum had become. And now you guys (and I'm reluctantly supporting Obama, mainly because he's getting millions involved, and voter turnout is paramount).

I want my GLBT forum back, primary candidate free. :cry:
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. Sigh...
Only 8 more months, only eight more months... :banghead: :banghead:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:34 AM
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36. Oh' so I'm not completely ignored.
I thought I was on the outs here. At least there's one! :hug:
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #36
44. Oh believe me I may be in that same boat too.
Who cares. The ignorant ignore.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #36
58. Nah
There are many GLBT Obama supporters lurking about. We're just not as vocal or repetitive a group. I lurk more than post because having the same argument with the same talking points and the same responses for the thirtieth time is highly wearisome. Don't let it get you down.

At the end of the day, no matter who wins the nomination, ultimately it comes down to us to change this country into one that respects GLBT equality. As the disappointing development with Elliot Spitzer proves, even our greatest allies are undependable when it comes seeing our issues addressed and changed. No politician will ever have the power to do what we can do by living openly, creating a network of support for other GLBTs, and educating people through example, interaction, and discourse. Our dignity is our power, not our support for this or that minimally-supportive politician in a primary.

Hang in there :hug:

(Digging your icon today. South Side Irish parade was this weekend. Lots of GLBTs turned out in green. Was a good day =) ).
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #58
113. Talking Points?
The immense lack of respect, even basic consideration, from Obama
--to outright disdain and ignorance (ignore-ance) of OUR rights--
towards the LGBT community are mere "TALKING POINTS"??!!

Wowee, you've got a serious disconnect going on there.
Definitely.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #33
40. I'm not supporting Obama--ever
I've made my reasons abundantly clear.

This time they have to earn this gaytheist's vote or they just aren't going to get it. I'm done being the Democratic party's "what are you gonna do, vote Republican?" butt monkey.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #40
45. So what ARE you going to do in November?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:56 PM
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54. Why do you care?
Remember, I'm one of those marginal, white, older (than 30 anyway), "uneducated" (because I voted for HRC), insignificant voters who is "afraid of change". You guys don't need me or want me--and have told me so more than once.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. I'm with you. The Obama campaign has assured me of their glorious inevitable victory so they don't
need my gay vote.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #40
47. I understand, and was as angry about McCluky as you.
...but I decided to avoid GDP. After time I got over it. It does happen.

It's still a slight, a slap in the face, and dismissive. I go back and forth, on this though. One day I agree with you on not being the "whaddayagonnado?" GOP voter butt-boy, the next I'm thinking about greater society.

I can't keep my mind on being angry at this. I work for one of the spying telecoms. That job takes all my anger from me (especially on myself for staying in this dump), I haven't got any left for Obama. I guess it's a matter of perspective. It's also a matter of every politician in my life being dimissive of GLBT people, so it's no suprise to me. I'm sometimes amazed we got as far as we have in acceptance. :hi:

What I really want is the GLBT forum to return to a GLBT forum and not be GDP redux or a Hillary Love-in, which it's turning into.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. K&R if I could.
:yourock:
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. Not so much a Hillary love-in as people asking the question...
What's up with everyone at DU and other prominent boards falling at Obama's feet and lashing out with fangs bared at anyone who dares question the divinity of their anointed one? In the eyes of his followers Obama is not so much a politician to be supported as he is a religious figure to be venerated.

It's also about people pissed off over the hypocrisy of a candidate who claims to be our buddy and our pal but has openly admitted to having religious beliefs that preclude his supporting full equality for us.

The Obama debate directly addresses our inclusion in society, the value that our fellow Democrats place on our lives and our security as opposed to our money and our votes, the question of religion in politics, and ultimately whether our straight sisters and brothers deem us worthy of the same rights that they enjoy. And it also begs the question of what we are going to do about it if we don't like what we see.

This is a very GLBT issue and while it shouldn't dominate this board it's vital that we discuss it here. And it's instructive that on all of DU, that bastion of Liberal thinking, this about the only safe place we have to do it.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. Yours is a substantive post.
This is worthy of it's own thread:

The Obama debate directly addresses our inclusion in society, the value that our fellow Democrats place on our lives and our security as opposed to our money and our votes, the question of religion in politics, and ultimately whether our straight sisters and brothers deem us worthy of the same rights that they enjoy. And it also begs the question of what we are going to do about it if we don't like what we see.

I hope you'll consider posting it. :thumbsup:
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #57
68. Thank you
you're not suggesting GDP are you? :evilgrin: My only concern would be that my asbestos suit is a little threadbare from heavy use elsewhere.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. How about here in GLBT?
GDP is running on raw emotion these days -- who needs it? :hi:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. I won't post there again.
I am on permanent boycott.

I'll be glad to see it permanently disappear. It shouldn't even go to the archive.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #70
83. My DU experience is a lot more enjoyable now that I don't read it.
Took me long enough...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. i agree with 94114 san francisco RE: your post
i'm not so much a hillary supporter -- in fact i voted edwards -- but the donnie thing combined with the near religious ecstasy of the obama campaign and his followers is incredibly disturbing.

not at all what i want from politics or politicians.

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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #53
60. I agree with
my friend in San Francisco above, that is a very thoughtful post. It would also be interesting to see how many would even catch the meaning of your last sentence.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #53
61. Not only that, but Obama apparently isn't a great follower of his religion
The United Church of Christ is about as liberal a religion as can be. It's openly pro-same-sex marriage, declaring that its support is Biblically based. Personally I'm almost waiting for a switch to a Southern Baptist congregation where his dislike of people different from him can be openly condemned.
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. GOBAMA !
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:58 AM by urbuddha

Obama will be a much stronger president than Clinton. He doesn't need to be impolite to her.
It wasn't weak to except Samantha Powers'resignation for calling her a "monster."
Obama tries to keep his staff on a tight leash, unlike her.
He emphasizes positivety in every aspect of his campaign.
Clinton has impugned Obama's patriotism, tossed out racial and religious smears, and said
John McCain would make a better president than Obama would. They are expecting that Obama
will blow his top. Obama will kill the Clintons with kindness !

Hillary is running on the false pretense that she was also president during Bill's years in the White House. The 1990's weren't so great after all. The GOP took over congress.The GOP took control of the governorships across the country.Remember all of the psychodramas when everyone lost any chance to further any kind of political agenda for the last 2 years of Bill's term because of his personal problems.

Hillary Clinton has no experience with foreign policy crisis, no experience with economic policy,
and her one experience with health care was a complete disaster from start to finish.

Obama also has a better chance of beating the Republican nominee. We don't need another Republican
in the White House !!!
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:31 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. tell me -- Are you Obama supporters all pathological liers or just chronic liars?
"He emphasizes positivety in every aspect of his campaign." Lordy, Lordy, Lordy...have you read your won post? Ooooooh the irony!
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #62
65. I BOW BEFORE THE NEW EMPEROR OF MANKIND!!
Not.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #62
67. I have written to the UCC church about Obama's "inclusive" ideas.
I've had an ongoing dialog with a UCC pastor and with the national church.

Hopefully Mr. Obama will be getting some MAIL rather soon. Perhaps he might be more comfortable with the Southern Baptists..?
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #67
71. UCC and Obama
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM by urbuddha
Because Obama is a member of the accepting UCC he will be a better candidate for the LGBT community.
A politician running for the U.S. presidency cannot be truthful with everyone all of the time. That's just politics and the way it has always been. The GOP smear campaign would eat Obama alive if he came out publicly in favor of our issues while running for office. The UCC has a very favorable
stance with the LGBT community and these are Obama's core beliefs. Trust me, he will be our
best hope in the White House.

http://jitcrunch.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?bG9hZD1ib...
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. Obama doesn't agree with the UCC's stance
And, do you have anything to do but spam the GLBT forum with Obama?
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. Exactly. How many times do we have to point this out?
He's exploiting his UCC connection and their position on marriage equality to encourage us to vote for him. At the same time he's out there reassuring the Fundies that he rejects the UCC position marriage equality so that THEY will feel comfortable voting for him. You could call this politics. I would use other words to describe it.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. You justify someone for President you have caught in an ongoing lie.
"A politician running for the U.S. presidency cannot be truthful with everyone all of the time. That's just politics and the way it has always been."

I think that has left me more aghast than anything I have heard so far. We have sunken to the point where a liar is a viable candidate BECAUSE he is a liar.

I wish more than anything I had been able to emigrate to Canada...
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. "We have sunken to the point where a liar is a viable candidate BECAUSE he is a liar"
You nailed it Tyler.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. Then there is no longer any reason for long term hope.
I really had thought we might turn things around; maybe in 2012, but they'll have to do it without me. I'll be headed North to build greenhouses and put up wind generators. I want to leave something behind of value, even if someone else gets the most of it.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. It just means that things will get worse before they get better n/t
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. Much, MUCH worse.
The coming depression will be a monster, and it will kill millions worldwide. Will the republic survive? SHOULD it survive?

Maybe the one, benevolent, liberated world government will come out of this, oppressing none, serving all.

HOPE? I'll hope for THAT.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #71
81. Obama doesn't agree with the UCC stance on LGBT issues
Marriage in particular. Or haven't you heard about that?

Go get a clue. Nobody here is buying your Obamaluv. Go away.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #81
85. you need to do a bit of research on the UCC
the UCC is not a top down denomination

it is a bottom up

each congregation makes its own decisions on issues and each member is free to agree or disagree with the same decisions

heck, I know of members of my congregation who have issue with the idea of Jesus as divine

so there's not consensus on issues like gay marriage in the UCC


http://www.ucc.org /


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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #85
86. Why do I need to research the UCC?
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 01:11 AM by BuffyTheFundieSlayer
I'm not the one claiming that Obama will be a better candidate for LGBTs because he is a member of the UCC.

If members are free to disagree with whatever they want, how is their membership in the church supposed to be proof of anything?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #86
87. you said that he doesn't support the UCC "stance" on gay marriage
there is no "stance" on gay marriage

you have delegates to the national synod supporting gay marriage but that doesn't make it the "stance" of the UCC

that is why you need to do some research on the UCC before saying that Obama doesn't support something you think his denomination does


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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:45 AM
Response to Reply #87
91. YOU need to go to the UCC website, or use the link upthread.
The UCC supports complete and total marriage equality for homosexuals, both in fact and in name.

There actually was an amendment resolution to change the name of marriage for same-sex couples to "Covenanted Relationships." To the UCC's credit, they voted it down OVERWHELMINGLY, saying that it diluted the resolution, and created a divide.

Sorry. You're wrong on this.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #91
98. I'm a member of the UCC
I'm not wrong

you don't understand how the UCC works

the synod passes these resolutions and its up to the individual congregation to implement them if they want

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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #98
99. So is my family.
And the pastor is one of our only friends in this town.

And yes, it is up to the individual congregations to implement them, considering this is an item that is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED.

Frankly, if some congregation has to be STRONGLY ENCOURAGED to implement EQUALITY, then shame on them, and OBAMA as well.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #85
97. Some info on Obama's church ...
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #97
100. I went to the Church's web site....
And I KNOW I'm going to get skewered for this...but I'm TIRED of shit where you can substitute in a word for another and it becomes racist where the original one was not in the OPINION of the day.

The day is far past where _______centrist policy is GOOD policy. EQUAL TREATMENT UNDER THE GOD DAMNED LAW FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. That is the only thing that will save us ALL.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #85
104. Oh, cool. Then Obama can be a homophobic piece of cowdung
with a clear conscience. Hey, at least he can sleep well at night.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #62
78. Thanks for clearing up the mistaken presumption that Obama supporters are more highly educated.
You just blew that theory right out of the water.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #78
82. They're not
They're just very effective at spreading propaganda.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #62
80. Gobulshit!
Thank you, I now have plenty of fertilizer for my garden.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #62
107. Stop spamming the GLBT forum n/t
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #53
102. Perhaps it's not cult of personality as inexperience.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 09:53 AM by Touchdown
There are litterally millions of new, and very young, inexperienced in politics people getting involved right now. While that's a very good thing, there's also a down side to that.

They don't know how the game is played, and don't have the historical perspective to see that what's really going on in this primary is exactly like all the others. They are taking it personally... TOO personally. Keep in mind, it's not the 35 and above crowd that's going to be drafted into an Iran invasion, so they may have a little more invested in their "annointed one" than they should. They see any slight on Obama as a personal attack on them. They just haven't been involved long enough to see that this is how the game of primaries are played.

Bill Clinton didn't secure the nom until July sometime. This isn't as protracted a primary as is being reported. This is also being fan-flamed by a media that is in need of a controversy, so they created this narrative that the Democratic Party is ripping apart. Many of those inexperienced Obama supporters are buying into this bullshit, while some of us older, more seasoned politics watchers see through it.

While I agree that McClurkin and Obama ignoring us on him are very much a GLBT issue, worshipping Hillary as if she's Cher or Bette Midler is not, and there are at least 2 threads in GLBT who are pure Hillary Love-Ins. This one about Obama is an argument. No matter what the OP wanted, it doesn't count as a love-in.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:49 AM
Response to Original message
84. it should be noted
that the supervisor who represents the Castro has endorsed Obama

as has the chair of the Alice Tolkas Democratic Club

and as a side note, Bishop Gene Robinson has also endorsed Obama

so maybe the Castro is Obama country

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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #84
88. Obama wins another one !!! WooHoo !!!
These people act more like Republicans with their HATE speech and their attempts to ostrasize you
if you support Obama. I believe gay bashers act with this same style.








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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #88
108. Stop spamming the GLBT forum
This is probably the most grotesque and offensive of your spam posts in this spam thread. Get this, GLBTers: we are now GAY BASHERS by proxy for not worshipping at the throne of Obama.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. if you have problem with the post
hit alert


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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:38 AM
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89. Its really a shame that people here don't support Obama.
We have a real chance to have the first truly progressive president since at least 1980 and people are whining about one person who campaigned for Obama in a single state. Look, Barack has distanced himself from McClurkin and his record shows that he has always been a strong supporter of gay rights.
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urbuddha Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:43 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. Thank you...
You are so right. :D
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:49 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. You already lost any credibility you had.
You actually said it was OK to support a liar because it was just politics.

Any moral/political superiority you claim has been shot to shit.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:48 AM
Response to Reply #89
92. "Separate but Equal" is supporting GLBT Rights?
Riiight.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:54 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. When did Obama say that?
If you're referring to his support of civil unions over gay marriage, then you are pretty much out of luck. The only candidate which supports gay marriage which is still in the race is Mike Gravel. Are you a Gravel supporter or are you just trying to gloss over the fact that Hillary Clinton also does not support gay marriage?


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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:05 AM
Response to Reply #94
95. NEITHER of them are worth a shit in the larger sense.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 06:06 AM by Tyler Durden
But one of them is making a practice of continuing to fling the shit through his actions.

ONE of them has made a HABIT of pandering to the homophobes with comments like "Homosexuals are not immoral" leaving the door open for their bullshit comment "hate the sin not the sinner" while the other has made comments like "Homosexuality is not immoral" closing that door, and opening the door for normalization; not fast enough mind, but not a closed door. BOTH of those comments are quotes from the debates.

ONE has made a big deal out of his UCC membership, yet does not support the church's complete legal and nomenclature parity of marriage stance.

ONE has given a stage to a bigot who touts Gay people as baby killers and evil people who must accept Jesus and change their evil ways, even when this was pointed out to him in advance.

Why do you support someone who outright LIES about his views?
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #94
103. He said it when he said....
he believed that marriage could only be between a man and a woman, but that he supported some sort of civil union arrangement, the details of which should be left up to the states.

He and his followers need to explain to us how this represents full equality for gays and they need to explain it without reference to what Hillary says or thinks. It's unfortunate that whenever they are presented with a question like this they always take cover behind Clinton.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:20 AM
Response to Reply #89
96. Where's the apology?
What has he done for GLBT rights, aside from getting ENDA passed in his state (which would have been passed without him)?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #89
109. SURE he has - only after REPEATEDLY seeking out this idiots SUPPORT
he only "rejects" it when called on it, then turns around and DOES IT AGAIN!

I am so sick of the obamabot spew - they JUST DON'T GET IT!
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #89
111. You're full of shit. 0bama knew exactly what he was doing with McClurkin.
Spare me your foolishness.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:45 AM
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101. Debating whether Hillary or Obama is better for the LGBT Community
is in itself...ridiculous. Lets get real...they are both panderers who SUCK when it comes to the gay community, but they suck ever so slightly less than McCain.

The Clintons wooed the LGBT community once before and then proceeded to throw them under the bus with DOMA and DADT, and then touted those as "accomplishments". For me, they had their chance and blew it majorly so as far as this gay man is concerned....screw the Clintons and the horse they rode in on. I am not a believer in repeatedly relegating the power of our nations highest office to "families" anyway and would like to put to rest the notion of Bush and Clinton Dynasties.....we should not try to establish monarchies in the US.

Another HUGE issue with me personally, Hillary is a DLC conservative and I seek to end DLC influence in the Democratic Party and bring the party back to its roots as a progressive party of the people that actually offers a contrast to the Republican Party. Obama on the other hand is not "officially" associated with the DLC. He WAS included on the DLC list of "Up and Comers", but he had the foresight to publicly ask his name be removed in time for the campaign. Not a hugely believable rebuff from my perspective, but at least it's "something".

Once again we're offered two POS (and that's not an acronym for "possibilities") and asked to decide which one stinks the least. For me, the Clinton record of turning on the LGBT community after securing their votes AND the fact that both Clinton's are very active DLC members means that Obama stinks less to me. To be clear, Obama isn't close to a decent candidate for me either...I supported Kucinich and can only lament that America was not far enough along on the evolutionary scale to support his candidacy (the EU is largely there though and so it is just a matter of time till the US gets the "idea")...but he (Obama) has "meekly" disavowed the DLC, and he's not a family member to a previous POTUS.....so I can hold my nose and cast a vote for him.



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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:47 PM
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105. Stop spamming the GLBT forum n/t
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