Pope Slams Gays, Condoms In AIDS Day Message

[davidinalameda]

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon05/11/113005pope.htm

Pope Benedict XVI used his AIDS Day message to remind Catholics that the Church opposes the use of condoms and to suggest that gays are responsible, at least in part, for the growing AIDS crisis.

World AIDS Day will be observed December 1.

In a message issued by the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Health Pastoral Care, the Vatican blamed what it called a "pansexual culture that devalues sexuality" for the spread of AIDS.

The message said that only be keeping sex exclusive to marriage can the disease be prevented.

[mrcheerful]

1. Oh really? Just how is marriage going to stop aids?

Married men and women are known to cheat on each other and its not just small numbers thats doing it. How dumb can celebate people be? Say it with me, hey dumb ass, marriage does not stop sex even with the members of your sect.

[marmar]

2. Goodness knows heterosexuals can't spread AIDS...

Would someone tell this Pope that the medieval period is over?

[Zenlitened]

5. That's right. That's why barely any AIDS cases in Africa...

... involve heterosexuals. </sarcasm>

Quite the towering intellect, this pope. :eyes:

[Zenlitened]

3. So.... the pope supports marriage equality now, right?

He wants gays and lesbians* to be able to legally marry, in order to help stop the spread of AIDS?

Didn't think so.

:crazy:


*Because lesbian women are soooo responsible for the spread of AIDS.

Double-:crazy: :crazy:

[dusmcj]

4. just another monopoly

trying to retain its hold on its target market. no different than a business.

Anyone know if priests know how to put one on without their hands ?

[darkmaestro019]

6. Anyone who oppose condom use is in FAVOR of AIDS

not to mention other STDs and even MORE unwanted children than we already have. Nice position, there, bastard. Utterly indefensible.

And I don't want to hear how condoms don't stop ALL STDs. By that logic, since some people die in car accidents even with seat belts, we should stop using them entirely.

[Warpy]

7. Nobody devalues sexuality

like a celibate old fart who despises anyone who does what he's been denied all his life and enjoys doing it. Nobody devalues sexuality like a conservative old fart who thinks women should be punished for sex. Nobody devalues sexuality like an ignorant old fart who doesn't see that condoms prevent abortions and save lives, along with emergency contraception and contraception. Nobody devalues sexuality like a hate filled old fart who holds half the human race responsible for the sins of the other.

Why these old coots think they know ANYTHING about sexuality is beyond me.

[Imagine My Surprise]

8. I wonder if they will off him like they did JP II...any thoughts?

I am, of course, dead serious.

[Imagine My Surprise]

9. I meant JPI

[sallyseven]

10. He is such an idiot.

[katty]

11. Yada,Yada,---Church should clean out its OWN PALACE FIRST

[kweerwolf]

12. Pope Rat-Fucker appears to have learned his lessons well ...

... while he was a member of the Hitler Youth.

No doubt "Uncle" Adolf is smiling somewhere.

[Skinner]

13. Perhaps a Catholic could help me out here.

I always thought that the Catholic Church opposed contraception because they did not approve of artificially interfering with the possibility for conception.

But that reason would not be relevant in the case of homosexual sex, because there is no chance for conception. So what, exactly, is their justification for opposing the use of condoms by gay Catholics? Here the only thing a condom is preventing is the spread of disease.

I can't avoid the conclusion that the Pope's problem is with homosexuality itself, and he is merely using the condom as a red herring.

Am I misunderstanding the justification for the Church's stance against contraception?

[terrya]

14. I'm an ex-Catholic...but here's my take.

The Catholic Church's attitude towards gay people can be summed up as..."love the sinner, hate the sin". That is, gay people are tolerated...barely...as long as they don't act on their same-sex feelings. Which, of course, means gay people shouldn't have sex. To be a good Catholic, that is.

And condoms...and safe sex...runs counter to that thinking.

Add in the fact that Pope Benedict (formerly Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) has articulated the Church's intolerant stances on homoxexuality for decades...ever since his predecssor John Paul IL was pope...and you have these extreme attitudes towards homosexuality.

That's my take, Skinner.

[dsc]

15. I don't think condom use makes gay sex any more or less

sinful according to the Catholic church. I just think that any use of a condom is considered a way of interfering with the 'correct' use of sperm as they see it.

[TechBear_Seattle]

18. The roots of Catholic opposition to contraception lay with Manichaeism

For a period of about 200 years (roughly 300 to 500), Manichaeism was the leading rival to Christianity. Elements of Manichaeism appear to have survived in Europe well in to the early Renaissance in groups such as the Bogomils and Cathars, and in Asia until the 1400s.

One of the central doctrines of the religion was that the material world was a trap, and that the goal of every human being was to transcend the material and return to the purely spiritual. Sex was permitted, but non-procreative sex was strongly encouraged to prevent drawing more spirit beings in to this world.

The Catholic (and Orthodox) doctrine against non-procreative sex is rooted in the writings of Augustine of Hippo and other polemicists who wrote against the Manichees. The ban on contraception is an extension of this ancient doctrine.

[kevinbgoode]

16. This sounds like the same old stupid Catholic idea

that gays can't marry, but no one should have sex unless they get married, therefore gays should never experience sexual intimacy.
Sorry, Pope Poopiepants. . .you just don't have that strong an appeal to make me sacrifice my life for your paranoias.

Someone needs to accuse this church of attampting to force gays into a role as human sacrifices, thus removing their recognition as a church. They are little more than a cult.

[TechBear_Seattle]

17. Despite the fact that the vast majority of PWAs are heterosexuals

Why is that when bigots cite AIDS statistics, they conveniently forget the hundreds of thousands -- millions? -- of people in Zaire, Kenya, South Africa, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Zambia, and other African countries where HIV is pandemic? Why do they conveniently forget Thailand and Myanmar, where HIV is found mostly in female sex trade workers?

I expected better of Benedict.

[swimmernsecretsea]

19. Pope Benedict was pretty well-known as a very conservative Catholic before

he became the Pope. He is going to open the divide between people further, and make the Catholic church even less relevant than it already is.

I split from the Catholic church in my teens, after I'd started to come out to myself. The church I'd grown up in I could see was becoming more and more exclusive of others. One Sunday, I sat in stunned silence while a priest began a sermon where he angrily denounced homosexuals. It was filled with rage and disgust, and horrible imagery. I'd thought this sort of this was unknown outside fundemental religions. It was embarrassing, shameful. That sealed it. I never went back.

If Pope Benedict wishes to seal the fate of the Catholic church after having hushed up the pedophile priests they hid in the past, then let him. It'll dwindle into the size of a cult.

[Dark]

20. Because they're black. n/t