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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:32 PM
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In 1982 when I had a 98 on my ASVAB, my recruiter shit his pants.
I was trained as a nuclear engineer on a submarine. The Navy spent over a million dollars on my education. I graduated 3rd in my class at NPS. First at prototype.

Fast forward a year or so and a shipmate who was, in retrospect, just a guy who was raised without physical contact restraints, ran to COB when I offered him some oral sex.

Nine months later and dozens of 'hanging barbed wire while you're kicked out, faggot!' scars later, I was released from military service with an OTH discharge.


I say this because the entire time I was involved in the Navy, from my initial recruiter visit to boot camp to A school to MMA school to Nuke school to Prototype to Sub Duty I was told that being gay was wrong and I would be kicked out if I were gay.

There were Shore Patrol raids at gay bars in Seattle, trying to find military members out at gay bars. If they were found, they were discharged.

The hunts for military members in the gay areas of Seattle were well known. It was truly sad and really disheartening as a gay man.

Did my country really hate me for who I am?

On March 11, 1986 I found out my country really did hate me for who I am. I didn't do anything other than ask a man if he wanted a blowjob. And I was put in shackles, imprisoned. put on 'hard labor' and finally unceremoniously kicked the fuck out of the Navy.



There's my story about my military service. GO USA! and all that, right?

Tell me why I should have any respect for this country.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:38 PM
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1. Rec....
You are certainly on a roll tonight.

:pals: :fistbump: :pals:
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:41 PM
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3. I've got Teh Jeebus!! in me.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:39 PM
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2. I don't hate you
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:42 PM
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4. I get where you're coming from
But even if you were straight, it's kind of out there to offer somebody a blowjob at your place of employment, LOL.

Aside from that, the homophobia in this society is beyond asinine.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:46 PM
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5. my recruiter shit his pants also
When I went to enlist in 1981 I checked on the enlistment for that I was a "Homosexual" with my scores on the entrance exams he tried to convince me I wasn't a "homosexual". It didn't work, I was immediately classified as a F-4.

I thanked him for his time & I went on my merry way.
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:48 PM
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7. At the time, I didn't have another choice.
Being on the streets in Pittsburgh in 1982 wasn't very appealing to a young faggot with a brilliant mind.

My biggest failure in life is not being able to take advantage of my intelligence.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:50 PM
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10. Maybe it was being saved for something else.
Just saying.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:48 PM
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6. You had the willingness to serve your country and this is how you were treated?!?!?
Unacceptable. :(
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:49 PM
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8. If you have any pride for this country or its miltary at all you'd be appalled
at how gay military members were (are?) treated.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:38 PM
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23. I am quite appalled. nt
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:49 PM
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9. That could have been me.
I scored the same on the ASVAB and a Navy recruiter tried to sign me up to work on a nuclear sub. At the time, the thing I feared the most was getting a discharge and having to explain the situation to my Southern Baptist parents, so I didn't join. I still have hope for what this country could be, but I'm ashamed of what it is.
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 10:54 PM
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11. You were wise.
Once I was kicked out for being a Fag both my mother and my father/stepmother refused to help me.

I ended up homeless in Seattle for 6 months, then moved into a drug house for a few months.

I absolutely LOVE the mindfuck my country put on me.

WE HATE FAGS! WE HATE FAGS! GO USA!!!
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 11:29 PM
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18. I'm ashamed of this country, just looking at how millions of people are treated
in this country and that there really seems to be a delight in this country by not a small number that seem to enjoy seeing others suffer. There is a sickness afoot in this country and I've seen it my whole life, be it racism, homophobia, or one of the many other phobias that exist in this country. It's a cancer eating this country away.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 04:39 PM
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24. *Sigh*, me too, and I wish people would WAKE UP already.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 11:02 PM
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12. I was recruited insanely in high school
after I took the ASVAB. I don't remember what score I got but it was really high (scary thought that I am more mechanically inclined than 98% of the population). But physically I knew I was a hopeless case (you could have added percentiles for the test and my physical abilities and still not have reached 100). It sucks what you, and a whole lot of others, have gone through.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 11:02 PM
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13. What rate brother?
Converted Rickover high from a filter to a pump.

M-div on a SSN myself. Wasn't much better in '08 when I left. If anything it's worse, like some sort of toxic cultural sludge, everyone out for themselves. No brotherhood, just a bunch of knives and easily found backs.
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 11:04 PM
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14. MM2 Hole Snipe.
I was an engineroom rat. Small enough at the time to squeeze into the smallest bilge spaces.

:hi:
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 11:25 PM
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16. I was like an octopus myself. I was bulky but could squeeze anywhere.
Of course my weight kept me from putting on 2nd class. Maybe I wouldn't have gained so much if they hadn't kept me on the boat 85 hours a week for the vitally important task of chipping paint... Sorry venting.

I know a lot of folks from power school and prototype who are still pissed off at the Navy, so it's probably not you, they really are a screwed up service.
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Sub Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 11:27 PM
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17. I'm sorry, but for the time I was on the boat, I loved it.
I loved my shipmates. I loved the work that I did. I truly would have spent 20 years on that boat if I could have.

Unfortunately, I wasn't dealt that hand.
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Sirveri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 09:24 AM
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22. I liked being underway enough, but in the yards... My point was more about structure though.
I watched the institution push the people who should have stayed out, and the people who shouldn't have been were rewarded. It's just broken.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 11:14 PM
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15. Man! I hate that for you. I've never had anything that bad done in my life but I was bullied
and chastised because I was perceived as gay. Apparently being artistic and musical meant I was gay to the racists and bigots I was raised around. That's why I feel I understand a little bit of how you felt. Give up the 'feeling bad' part because that's how the people, that treated you so unfairly, want you to feel and they don't deserve even one damn moment of your consideration or respect.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 12:36 AM
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20. I can't tell you why. I don't respect USA and I have not
suffered any of this.
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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 12:44 AM
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21. In regard to this topic only, perhaps because finally that should be ended with
the end of sanctioned sexual orientation bigotry in the armed services.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:03 PM
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25. I'm sad for what happened to you. It was wrong. Totally wrong.
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