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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 03:58 PM
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You would not ask an African American to vote for someone who supports Jim Crow.
You would not ask a woman to vote for someone who opposed their right to vote.

So don't ask us to vote for people who oppose our right to marry.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:19 PM
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1. I surely wouldn't expect you to vote for republicans.
Are there Democrats who oppose the right to marry?
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LonePirate Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:26 PM
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2. President Obama has not come out in support of marriage equality. That's pretty close to opposing it
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:30 PM
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3. The DOJ will not defend DOMA in court.
The President will not stand in the way of repealing DOMA.

That seems like he is supporting marriage equality to me.
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chocolaterainbow Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:32 PM
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5. Except for those in states that gay marriage is banned.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:40 PM
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6. That can change too. Look at how long it took for some states to
admit interracial marriage was legal. Those who can't change their minds will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future....but they'll come.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:11 PM
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11. Not entirely correct
The DOJ will not defend some parts of DOMA in certain types of court cases. They are still defending it in other types of cases.
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chocolaterainbow Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:30 PM
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4. Obama believes that marriage is between a man and a woman.
This seems like opposition.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:43 PM
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7. I think he is changing his mind on that comment.
I haven't heard the President say this for a long time. The DOJ stance says equality is where they are going.
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chocolaterainbow Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:45 PM
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8. I still support President Obama but
it would be nice if he could affirm his support for equal rights. We shouldn't have to speculate or assume that he's for them.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 04:48 PM
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9. I'd like to hear him say it too.
And I think he will.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:14 PM
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13. Nope. He still thinks it's a "states rights" issue -- the same defense used for segregation
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20074415-503544....

That statement is very similar to what Obama said at a sold-out, $1,250-per-head fundraising dinner with prominent gay and lesbian activists in New York last week, the Associated Press reports. To boil it down, Obama is basically saying he supports the rights of gay people, while avoiding answering how he feels about gay marriage specifically by shifting the responsibility for it to "the states."

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 09:39 PM
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22. He changed his mind away from marriage equality, a position he used to hold.
Strange trajectory of changing his mind.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:10 PM
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10. ?
Where did I say anything about Obama?

There's more to life than Obama.
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chocolaterainbow Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:26 PM
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17. "So don't ask us to vote for people who oppose our right to marry."
Obama is one of those "people" who opposes your right to marry someone of the same sex.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 06:07 PM
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20. Not any longer.
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johnnypneumatic Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:13 PM
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12. yes, lot's of them
the recent approval of the anti-marriage initiative for public vote in North Carolina passed with help from democrats in the NC house. In Maryland and Rhode Island, even though the legislatures are overwhelmingly democratic, they still blocked marriage equality efforts this year.

Homophobia is bipartisan. And DOMA passed back then with heavy democratic support.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:15 PM
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14. And Barack Obama is one of them
He says we should have equal rights, but not the right to marry. You know, separate but equal.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:18 PM
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16. He really HAS been evolving.
Not only pulling the DOJ out of defending DOMA but actually helping one of the people suing to overturn it is a major improvement.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 06:01 PM
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19. "Evolving" is BS. He's just trying to be on both sides of the fence at the same time
Typical pandering politician.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:17 PM
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15. Here's one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Van_Drew

Not only voted to kill marriage equality in 2010, but he and his fellow candidates launched a robocall campaign bragging about their opposition to gay rights.

Add to that his support for Christie's union busting and pulling NJ out of the greenhouse gas initiative and I have a very hard time justifying even the thought of pushing the button for him in November.

And for 2012, I think we need to start lining up and putting people in place to primary every anti-gay Democratic congressperson.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 05:26 PM
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18. Here's another one:
Ruben Diaz, Sr., a Democratic member of the NY state Senate. He was a very vocal opponent to the marriage equality bill there. He helped to derail its passage in 2009, and was the sole Democrat voting against the bill when it finally passed in 2011. Not satisfied with voting alone, he held many high profile public events and fundraisers in an effort to prevent marriage equality in his state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rub%C3%A9n_D%C3%ADaz,_Sr.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-27-11 09:33 PM
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21. Yes. Barack Obama.
Next question?
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-11 09:03 AM
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23. But, but, but...
...if Congress wants to do the work to repeal DOMA, Obama won't stand in the way.

Now that's what I call support! I could just wrap myself up in that warm blanket of fierce advocacy!

:eyes:
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