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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:47 AM
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Doctor Treating Pregnant Women With Experimental Drug To Prevent Lesbianism
Edited on Wed Jun-30-10 10:03 AM by ehrnst
<snip>Pediatric endocrinologist Maria Newof the Mount Sinai School of Medicine and Florida International Universityisn't just trying to prevent lesbianism by treating pregnant women with an experimental hormone. She's also trying to prevent the births of girls who display an "abnormal" disinterest in babies, don't want to play with girls' toys or become mothers, and whose "career preferences" are deemed too "masculine." </snip>


http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2010/06/29/do...
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:53 AM
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1. I think the heat damages some peoples brains down here.
One docs office we've passed every day of our visit has a sign larger than his office board that says "God Bless America" and is flying a HUGE flag outside. I have seen a few pro Obama cars, so I know there is some hope.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 09:58 AM
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2. Doctor had sign that he would not treat
anyone who voted for Obama. Forget where this was in Florida. I agree with you about the sun frying some people's brains in Florida. I see it every day.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:12 AM
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7. where, which doctor?
seriously. I would like to know - because that's not just unethical and in violation of a dozen insurance and regulatory guidelines, but also illegal to require a voter registration card as a a prerequisite for medical treatment.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:15 PM
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34. Orlando
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 02:59 PM
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32. she needs to be removed. dipshit.
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:03 AM
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3. wait a second
this would mean there was a biological basis - I thought haters argued it was a choice behavior, not who you are
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:09 AM
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4. Looks like they're now treating it, along with "uppityness" in women, as "birth defects."
I LOVE the Hastings Center commentary on the issue:

"Needless to say, we do not think it reasonable or just to use medicine to try to prevent homosexual and bisexual orientations. Nor do we think it reasonable to use medicine to prevent uppity women, like the sort who might raise just these kinds of alarms. Consider that our declaration of our conflict of interest."



http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Bioethicsforum/Post.as...
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:10 AM
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5. K&R unreal
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:10 AM
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6. i see dr. mengele is alive and well.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:17 AM
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8. Send that article to the company to covers him for malpractice.
They'll put a stop to his foolishness.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:19 AM
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9. oh, so now the RW is FOR abortion & birth control?
" ... She's also trying to prevent the births of girls who display ... "

I do believe that's called social engineering. Didn't the Nazi's try something like that? Hmmmm ....
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 10:44 AM
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10. An irony here:
"It seems more than a little ironic to have New, one of the first women pediatric endocrinologists and a member of the National Academy of Sciences, constructing women who go into mens fields as abnormal.

Republican Woman Syndrome: I'm the exception to what I'm telling you is appropriate behavior for women. I can benefit from the gains feminism has brought women, but you should avoid them at all costs.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:40 AM
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11. Deleted message
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:23 PM
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13. The last sentence of your post just chilled me to my core.
Wow.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:32 PM
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14. No offense, but that's a way creepy statement on about a dozen levels. nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 12:54 PM
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15. At least you are honest about being for Eugenics and not wanting a gay child
WTF. I agree -- chilling.

So, homosexuality is a birth defect,a nd the problem lies with someone's orientation, NOT institutionalized bigotry?

Wow.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:01 PM
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16. The more I read your post, the angrier I get -- how DARE you?
How dare you refer to being gay as a "naturally-occurring birth defect"? How dare you advocate Eugenics for this "defect"? It's would be bad enough if you posted it in GD, but in here?

No wonder i never post on here anyway. WTF.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:09 PM
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18. I can't find any of their posts anywhere else in this subforum
Apparently s/he came in here to post that specifically, that and apparently nothing else.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:11 PM
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19. Yup, so all us "birth defects" and "birth defect allies" could see it
I can't wait to the back-pedaling on this one.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:13 PM
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22. I won't put him/her on ignore, though
I want to see just how long this one lasts.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:15 PM
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24. I actually now hope their post isn't deleted
It's so beyond atrocious.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:16 PM
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26. Search his/her username.
Very interesting posts from that one.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:22 PM
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27. I don't have a star anymore so can't
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:53 PM
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35. "He's dead, Jim."
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 04:13 PM
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33. disgusting
makes me ill
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:09 PM
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17. so homosexuality is a birth defect?
So much wrong with your post. You might want to read some ecology about how homosexual behavior is COMMON in many many animal populations ESPECIALLY when there are large populations of said animal.
HOMOSEXUALITY IS A NATURALLY OCCURING behavior that helps to curb populations...
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:12 PM
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20. "naturally-occurring birth defect", huh?
Everything I have to say to you will get deleted.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:13 PM
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21. I rewrote my first post to them five times
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:13 PM
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23. So did I n/t
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:54 PM
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29. ***This user was just tombstoned.***
I don't know if this was the post that led to the user's banning, but I hope it was. I don't think I have read anything this disturbing in this forum before, and that is saying A LOT!!!

Good riddance.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:58 PM
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31. Good
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:56 PM
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30. wow is ignorance a learned defect
or does it run in your family gene pool????


maybe you should re think your post....

it just screams hate
no matter how you slice it



lost
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 11:41 AM
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12. WTF? Play God Much?
Whackadoodle doesn't begin to cover it. Somebody should sue her ass for genocidal hate crimes against humanity.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:15 PM
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25. BTW, this is HIGHLY unethical behavior for a scientist
Someone should report her to the FDA, NIH anyone. This sounds almost like Nazi experimentation to me.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 01:23 PM
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28. I thought the same thing, TZ
bad enough on an animal, but with on HUMANS?! Mengele's sprogs may want to sue. WTF.
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ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-01-10 09:56 AM
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37. Dan Savage did simplify the situation, as a friend who audits research points out.
Edited on Thu Jul-01-10 09:56 AM by ehrnst
Here is her response to me concerning Dan's take on the study:

"As someone who audits clinical research, I think this is a little more complicated than the way Dan Savage (whose writing I enjoy) is reporting it. This is a potential treatment for a specific condition. The Principal Investigator is merely speculating about the affect the treatment may have on behaviors in the future. Also, the word "abnormal" means something different in a scientific publication than it does in other types of writing."

She had read the article that Dan is commenting on:

http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Bioethicsforum/Post.as...

"The majority of researchers and clinicians interested in the use of prenatal dex focus on preventing development of ambiguous genitalia in girls with CAH. CAH results in an excess of androgens prenatally, and this can lead to a masculinizing of a female fetuss genitals. One group of researchers, however, seems to be suggesting that prenatal dex also might prevent affected girls from turning out to be homosexual or bisexual. "

"They go on to suggest that the work might offer some insight into the influence of prenatal hormones on the development of sexual orientation in general. That this may apply also to sexual orientation in at least a subgroup of women is suggested by the fact that earlier research has repeatedly shown that about one-third of homosexual women have (modestly) increased levels of androgens. They conclude that the findings support a sexual-differentiation perspective involving prenatal androgens on the development of sexual orientation.


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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-30-10 05:18 PM
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36. Did Laura Schlesinger become a member/nonmember of DU today?
?
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