Gays haven't earned it says HuffPo writer - allowed Brown to win

[WillParkinson]

The unholy cheerleaders are blogger Pam Spaulding, the folk who run Queerty.com, and activist David Mixner. From what I can discern Kaufman is put out these folk, and other gay writers, focus only on marriage and are critical of President Obama without keeping an eye on the greater good. OK. That’s an argument that has been around for ages (W.E.B. DuBois made similar claims when he told black folk to join the World War I effort even though the country made lynching its national past time). But then Kaufman does something that is really off the rails.

“Most crucially, same-sex marriage advocates must finally understand they cannot equate their struggle with the African-American battle for Civil Rights or South African movement to end Apartheid. Not because Marriage Equality is not a noble goal, but because they are simply not the same thing. And — yes, I’ll dare say it — because they simply have not earned it!”

http://www.365gay.com/blog/012710-huffpo-writer-blames-lgbt-leadership-for-browns-win/

[joeybee12]

1. Not earned it? Sorry massah, I'll try hardah, I'll be good...

thank you kaufman, for telling us what we do and do not deserve.

[donco6]

2. We've heard the same arguments here many times.

It's not surprising.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

18. That blogger sounds like our old buddy Hamden.

[donco6]

31. Don't it, though? n/t

[ThomCat]

36. You're right. It does.

I would hate to think that his brand of bile was widespread to any extent. :(

[QC]

37. While this guy does have a distinct scent of ham and rice,

the sentiments are actually pretty common here.

Anyone remember NorthernSpy?

[WillParkinson]

3. Oooh, and already rec'd down!

Must have touched a nerve.

[joeybee12]

4. Good Lord, I just had to cancel out an unrec...n/t

[jonnyblitz]

15. I am not surprised. seriously. nt

[Ozymanithrax]

5. In our system, you don't earn a civil right

Gays are fighting to defend their right marry against a public and a government that don't want them to have it.

If one citizen's rigths are denied, all citizens' rights are denied.

[BR_Parkway]

8. Technically, we're fighting for our marriages to be recognized by the State

equally as they would be if we married an opposite sex partner.

There are a number of organized churches that would marry my partner & I - even the states that passed those "1 man, 1 woman at a time" amendments don't put me in the position of breaking any law if we were to have a religious service, they just won't recognize it.

[kenfrequed]

6. This suggests

That equal rights are a commodity that must be earned through sweat and blood and that we, as Americans, must dutifully torture and abuse every generation or segment of culture or subculture that seeks to be recognized as equals.

In that spirit I have a few questions.

1) When did white men pay their dues to recieve this recognition? As far as I can tell it was just sort of written into the constitution? Did I (partially) just get grandfathered in when the thing was done?

2) Percisely how much suffering must one endure.

(more questions to follow)

[Not Me]

7. It also suggests (though I am not sure how well)

that GLBT's exert a powerful influence on Democratic outcomes.
Show some respect dammit!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. who the hell is he? the thing about trying to be famous by taking an anti-view is tedious

at best.

i am gay, the easiest way for me to attain fame is to take on an anti gay marriage view. :yawn:

Like african american against affirmative action

arabs for racial profiling

and women against era

some things sound better than they are, one of these things are :there are things more important than marriage.

[jonnyblitz]

13. did you click on the link to Kaufman's Huffington post piece

that was provided in that article? holy crap! what in HELL made him think of us? :crazy:

He's bitching about us embracing Cindy McCain and Ted Olson as allies!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kaufman/enough-homo-toms-gaykkers_b_433716.html

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. yeah i did read it. i am getting tired of this, too progressive for legal right, crowd

i want to kick their collective unalyzed privilege asses.

[jonnyblitz]

16. if right wingers or republicans want to support gay rights what

are we to do? say FUCK YOU NO PLEASE DON'T?

[Jamastiene]

10. Sooooo....

If we "allowed Brown to win," is that an admission that our votes actually count for something? If so, it's time for our own party to start representing us and doing a little something something about our rights STILL being denied across the country.

[marginlized]

11. See his original and entire post at Transracial.net

some blogger who thinks that anyone critical of Barak or the Dems hates America and all it stands for.
hmmm, where have I heard that one before?

http://www.transracial.net/2010/01/25/enough-homo-toms-gaykkk-ers-and-the-betrayal-of-the-lgbt-left/

and scapegoating Pam Spaulding and other glbt bloggers for recent Dem losses is beyond crazy.

But then if you're sitting at home in your pjs...

[jonnyblitz]

17. "homo-toms and GayKKers...."

holy crap. :wow:

[Iggo]

35. homo-toms?

:shrug:

[Behind the Aegis]

12. What a race-baiting dickhead!

We should all wait until the next pronouncement from Sir Elton before we act. :eyes:

[Starry Messenger]

19. I'm surprised the Kaufman article hasn't been posted 6 times in GDP already

His back numbers on HuffPo are equally ugly.

[Toasterlad]

20. There Were Gay People Who Marched And Were Arrested Alongside Dr. King.

Brave men and women who fought for YOUR rights, Kaufman...before you were born. All so that you could be born into a world where you could say what you wanted without someone dragging you out to a tree and lynching you.

What exactly have YOU earned, you bigoted, privileged asshole? Fuck you.

[Betty Karlson]

21. Good question. N/T

[RetiredTrotskyite]

22. Just More...

"I've4 got mine, now you can go to hell." We are BORN with rights, we do not have to earn them.

[Cherchez la Femme]

29. That's it exactly. eom

[Toasterlad]

23. According to One of the Comments to the Original Article, Kaufman Is Gay Himself

Can anyone confirm this? It seems incredibly unlikely, given a quick scan of the many anti-gay articles he's written that are listed in his bio.

If so, wow. This hateful bigotry would be bad enough coming from a straight man, but from a gay man? He'd be the most self-loathing piece of shit I've ever encountered.

[closeupready]

24. This is not a popular view here, but a surfeit of homophobic talk from any man makes me suspicious

that such talk is a gimmick intended to deflect speculation about the sexual orientation of the speaker - sort of code for "see how much I hate gays? Therefore, I couldn't possibly be gay." And part of why I say that is because I used to engage in similar tactics myself for the same reason - I was never homophobic and never expressed homophobic ideas, but I did date girls - to whom I had absolutely no romantic or sexual attraction.

When you look at people like Ted Haggard or Larry Craig or that guy who was mayor of Spokane, or older examples like Roy Cohn, example after example after example evidence the wisdom of that idea.

[Toasterlad]

25. The Comment I Was Referring To Implies That Kaufman Is OPENLY Gay.

[closeupready]

26. Oh, sorry, I misunderstood - in a world with people like Andrew Sullivan,

anything's possible.

[Toasterlad]

27. Unfortunately.

[QC]

38. Yet Sully is now a DU celebrity!

It's safe to say that he is now DU's favorite homo!

[Cherchez la Femme]

28. He called himself the "ultimate minority"

(which he edited out of his HuffPo screed -- gee I wonder why? :sarcasm:)
because

"I am American, mixed-race, Jewish and Gay. I am, you could say, an ultimate minority."

http://www.transracial.net/2010/01/25/enough-homo-toms-gaykkk-ers-and-the-betrayal-of-the-lgbt-left/

Sure beats me out; I'm just American (that's part of a minority? Inside the actual country?!) Caucasian, lesbian and Buddhist.
Oh, and a womyn, and everybody knows how easy we have it.
So I guess I'm privileged... sure wish someone had told me sooner!
Huh, whaddaya know... you learn something every day. :eyes:


***edit to include exact quote & link

[WillParkinson]

30. I'm gay, atheist and vegan AND a 3rd shifter!

Damn. Beats me out.

[donco6]

32. Gay, atheist, and work in public schools.

But I'd need to add minority and female to top that.

[Cherchez la Femme]

33. Dang

You got me beat easily: I'm just a vegetarian (I eat eggs & cheese. Damn me.)


Yet sometimes it's so difficult to tell who wins when one plays victim one-upmanship. Have enough of our gay brothers, lesbian sisters, transgender, T*, bisexual, et. al. died to "earn" our rights? Has enough homosexual blood been shed yet, in the history of the entire world? Even when, of course, being gay and black are not mutually exclusive?

***Oops, slipping on that slope!***


Seriously, if you don't laugh about it you're gonna cry
...well, I would, anyways.

[Iggo]

34. The battle for civil rights is not the same as...

...the battle for civil rights, y'all.

What's so hard to understand about that? Gawd! You people, sometimes, I swear...!!!!!!