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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:19 PM
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Gay bar has new ID rule for cross-dressers
Gay bar has new ID rule for cross-dressers


(Elk Grove Village, Ill.) A gay bar in the Chicago suburb of Elk Grove Village says cross-dressers who wish to drink there will now have to show a valid photo ID that matches the gender they are dressed as.

Manager Peter Lansdorf says Hunters Nightclub reluctantly imposed its new ID requirement because cross-dressing prostitutes were advertising on Craigslist and mentioning his tavern as a place they hung out.

Lansdorf concedes that the new rule could cut into the clubs substantial transvestite clientele, but says prostitution of any form could cost him his liquor license.

Spokesman Ed Yohnka of the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois says the new ID requirement may possibly be a violation of the Illinois Human Rights Act.

http://www.365gay.com/news/gay-bar-has-new-id-rule-for-...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:22 PM
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1. umm how does this relate to prostitution? and how upsetting to those who like to occasionally drag
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:25 PM
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2. I've been to Hunters. LOVED IT! I was just thinking about it the other day.
Great spot to party.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:26 PM
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3. this does not seem to address the problem at all
and, in addition, who would have ID as the gender they were cross-dressing AS?

this makes no sense.

IMHO
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Travis_0004 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:29 PM
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5. They are a private business
As such, they should be allowed to do whatever they want. If people disagree with it, boycott it and they will change their policy or go out of business.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:51 PM
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10. non sequitor response
whether they have the right to do something has no bearing on what I said.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:21 AM
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22. while they may have a legal right, it is still bigoted
i can have a "no XYZ allowed in my home", and there is nothing anyone can do about it, but i am still a bigot
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:29 AM
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26. I'm not sure they even have a legal right to ask for this....
I can't say for certain that if I went down to the DMV in drag and told the clerk that I was a drag queen and I needed an ID for my female look, IN ADDITION TO my "normal" mode of dress, that they would comply. After all, maybe in drag I might look JUST Like my 16 year old sister, who could then use my female ID as a fake ID.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:32 AM
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27. Whatever they want, within reason....
I'm not certain that what they're asking for is even possible. The DMV won't let me wear a hat when they take my driver's license picture. I don't much expect that a wig and a set of huge falsies would pass muster, either.
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positrac Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:27 PM
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4. What clientele do transvestite prostitutes have?
I don't understand who would be interested - of course if they are keeping their gender secret in an effort to fool unsuspecting customers, that's just plain old dishonesty...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:29 PM
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6. umm yes, because people in a gay bar are HUGELY surprised that drag queens have penis's
:eyes:
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positrac Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:37 PM
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7. I'm a gay man but I haven't been in a gay bar in 40 years.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 04:38 PM by positrac
I just never have understood the cross-dressing thing, if I wanted a woman I'd find a real one. My partner (of 29 years) and I think they're off-putting.

editing, anyway isn't prostitution the issue and not just cross dressing?

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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:52 PM
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8. Dress and orientation don't necessarily match
Many women are turned off by Cross-Dressing guys. Yet the distribution of Gay/Straight is the same among MtF Cross-Dressers as the public at large.

And then many Transgenders are thrown out of work for daring to transgress the gender binary. Finding the only work available to be prostitution. As for their clientele. Among online Porn anyway the Transgender or Ladyboy seems to be well represented. Why? Does it matter? :shrug: Seems like a personal choice to me. Like preferring Blonds or Redheads.
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positrac Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:09 PM
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12. Well, I've known both gay and straight transvestites (I'm 67 and seen pretty much everything)
But this discussion is about prostitution, isn't it? I don't blame that club or bar or whatever it is for protecting its license. My original question was just curiosity because I (still) can't figure out just who is supposed to be a willing customer of a prostitute dressed as someone of the other gender. I just have to repeat, as a gay man, I just have no interest in connecting with other men who look like women. You are right, it is personal preference (and privilege too) I say. :shrug:
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:30 PM
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30. It matters from a study aspect, but not really from any other.
The whole "chick with a dick" thing is fascinating when the guys who are looking for that and in those terms identify as straight. But then they are seeking a person with a penis who identifies as female, so yeah, it's kind of interesting. It only matters in the same sense that it matters if Pluto is a planet or a giant hunk of ice.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:57 PM
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9. its always lovely to encounter gay people with such limited understanding of gender
and sexuality.

almost makes you wish they were straight
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positrac Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:03 PM
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11. Thanks a lot. If I could restart my life, I'd pick straight...it would have been a hell of a lot
easier. But I didn't have any choice and I can't help not understanding. I despise okra too, that will probably make a pariah to some vegetarians.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:45 PM
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14. does okra have feelings? was there a memo on that, i missed?
as far as i know trans people have feelings
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:33 PM
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31. You know, the self righteous shit gets a little tiresome.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:39 PM
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32. so does the far more vile anti-trans shit. nt
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:02 AM
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20. OMG...you need to get out girl...
40 years! Go have a beer...

Gay bars have change a lot.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 09:05 AM
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21. SHOCKING....boys dressed like girls....
LOL I am flabbergasted...so that six foot four beauty I was dancing with had a PENIS!!

I guess that explains what I felt when we were slow dancing...I thought it was a flashlight.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:08 AM
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23. They would have plenty of clientele....
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 10:13 AM by SacredCow
I did a charity drag show some time back and was approached by a long time drag queen who was impressed by my appearance and performance. He informed me that I needed to make a trip to another bar, where (as he put it) "there are just TONS of boys who like to be fucked by beautiful drag queens." I thanked him kindly for the complement(?) and declined.

I'm sorry, but in my expeirence cross-dressers, drag queens, transvestites or whatever you want to call them- dressing up to keep their gender secret to fool unsuspecting customers is VERY seldom the intent.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:22 PM
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28. Welcome to the strange world of Craigslist sexuality.
Edited on Wed Sep-23-09 01:23 PM by imdjh
" Seeking a t-gurl, to fuck me, passable not necessary, must be hung greater than 7in and a top. No men."

Seriously. That's the kind of stuff you find on Craigslist. Up the list from that you'll find the "straight man" looking to be topped his "first time (this ad hasn't changed in years)" in the M4M section.

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:41 PM
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13. Some leather bars have tried this in the past.
It usually backfires.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 01:27 PM
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29. Many gay bars used to have no-drag policies.
Badlands in SF used to have a no-drag policy (on regular nights), as did the Lost and Found and the Pier in DC.

Years ago, the nice bars didn't allow tennis shoes, t-shirts, or jeans.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:55 PM
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15. Sounds wrong
It sounds like a back door prohibition. If the cops come in you must have correct ID, not one to match your dress.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:26 AM
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25. It seems to go against the point of an ID....
It identifies *you*- not how you are dressed.

I have off and on facial hair, so should I have to get 2 ID's depending on my facial hair status?
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devinkay Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:23 AM
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16. What a crock!
Lansford's ridiculous excuse for locking out crossdressers is nothing more than bigotry wrapped in bullshit. He's playing the victim to mask an exclusionary agenda. His license is in no jeopardy unless he engages in pimping or prostitution himself or knowingly or openly condones it. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that Hunters has more than its share of non-crossdressing prostitutes, just like any other bar anywhere. The man's a liar and a hypocrite.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:33 AM
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18. indeed
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:58 AM
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19. How about this rule....license match the nasty bits.
Cops come in...hold up your license and lift your skirt and yell...

"Boy parts here!!"

Turn and give a little waggle. Then show them your girls.
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devinkay Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 08:28 AM
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17. My latest hobby
Think I'll spend an hour or so every evening opening Craigslist ads soliciting gay sex out of Hunters.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 10:12 AM
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24. Seems like a over-reaching way to handle a problem....
Unless people are turning tricks in the establishment, I am not really sure how he'd lose his liquor license. If he kicks out and/or calls the police on people who are soliciting play for pay in any form, there really is no problem.

I guess there won't be any drag shows there.
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