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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 08:29 PM
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Re: Prop 8. How can this be?
Edited on Sat Mar-07-09 08:32 PM by Mike 03
This is probably a pointless post, but I cannot believe that I'm seeing headlines in the San Jose Mercury News and SF Chronicle saying that the Supreme Court of California is leaning towards leaving Proposition 8 intact.

What the fuck is going on here???? What did I miss?????

Is this the same Supreme Court of California that ruled it was absolutely unconsitutional to deny same sex couples the right to marry?

At the risk of repeating myself, I would have bet my house, car and everything I own that this was a dead and gone issue, and that Prop 8 was not only illegal and unconstitutional but not even legally permitted to be on the ballot in the first place.

This is so disgusting.

Please tell me the journalists are wrong and that this is NOT a "confusing" or legally "controversial" issue. How can it be?

Anyway, I am so sorry. I feel so bad for the GLBT community tonight. This is an obscene situation, and so unfair. This is so wrong it is hard to even comprehend.

You are all in my heart.

EDIT: Changed hearts to heart.

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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 08:32 PM
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1. I am deeply troubled to hear of the court's supposed leaning
but it is important to remember it is not over yet. Even if they rule unfavorably, this is not over. There will be a day when we are all free- with liberty and justice for all.
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ReliantJ Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 08:36 PM
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2. 4% be damned.
I hope this works out for them in the next opportunity. Seeing the stats makes me think it'll be better in 4 yrs
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 08:38 PM
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3. This can't be
If it passes, sign me up for whatever

This is our moment, should it affect our lives directly or not, this IS OUR MOMENT

WE must win

It just can't be any other...
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 08:41 PM
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4. One justice said that Prop 8 was unconstitutional before Prop 8 passed,
Edited on Sat Mar-07-09 08:44 PM by stopbush
but now that Prop 8 passed and changed the constitution, it is constitutional.

Huh????

That means that we could put an initiative on the ballot to tax the churches or to take away the vote from blacks and women, and if said initiatives passed by a mere 51% majority, it would change the CA constitution and the effect of the initiative would be binding and not reviewable by the courts.

The justices are in effect saying that any ballot initiative that changes the CA constitution cannot be ruled unconstitutional, unlike any law passed by the state legislature, unlike any executive order issued by the governor, or unlike anything that carries the force of law in CA and that is normally subject to judicial review. They are saying that the only way to rule that Prop 8 violates the constitution is to propose another ballot initiative that would overturn Prop 8 at the constitutional level. Sounds like a recipe for disaster, with gay marriage appearing on the ballot every fucking election cycle in an endless see-saw battle.

This is madness.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 08:51 PM
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5. Wow! That would be awesome!
Unfortunately the people will never be given that much power, but just for a moment, imagine what could be accomplished.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 08:56 PM
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6. If they uphold it, we must start the effort to repeal it immediately.
Edited on Sat Mar-07-09 08:58 PM by Maat
I was at a rally yesterday; hundreds of young people who have been against this prop. from the beginning will be ready to vote to repeal it (they will be eligible to vote in 2010).

We WILL get it gone - as soon as we can.

And, the hardright will be sorry that they ever started this. Two sides can play at the amendment game. Perhaps we will seriously modify the citizen's ability to modify the constitution, without the pre-approval of the legislature.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 10:21 PM
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7. I hope you're spot on about this, I do have hope for the young 'uns
they have fire and they weren't raised in an era that accepted bigotry.

Your avatar is right on, war is a racket ....and so is bigotry. It's a money maker and get's that fear donation everytime.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 10:39 PM
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9. Exactly; I hope for the best, also. Take care (n/t)!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 10:33 PM
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8. it's the initiative process -- it turns everything on it's head. nt
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