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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:44 AM
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Comparing New Admin to Mor*ons on GLBT Issues
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com /
An LGBT Scorecard From The Obama Administration
Jim Burroway

January 20th, 2009
At 12:01 p.m. EST, several things happened simultaneously. The Secret Service agent standing behind President Bush shifted places and took his place behind President Obama. And President Obama, even though he hadnt yet taken the oath of office, became the official, constitutional President of the United States.

And something else happened. The Switch was flipped on the official White House website. And what a switch it is. Theres a lot there for LGBT Americans to look forward to under the heading of Civil Rights. Highlights include:

Expand Hate Crime Statutes to cover sexual orientation and gender identity.
Enact a fully inclusive Employment Non-Descrimination Act (ENDA), to include sexual orientation and gender identity.
Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples, and repeal the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).
Repeal Dont Ask, Dont Tell
Expand adoption rights, regardless of sexual orientation. (Im not entirely sure that the federal government has much of a role to play here.)
Promote AIDS Pevention: Incluiding age-approrpriate sex education which includes talk about condoms, and distributing contraceptives through the public health system.
You might want to bookmark this post. This represents a good scorecard on which to grade the Obama administration in the months and years to come.

Cick here to see the entire Civil Rights agenda for LGBT people
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/01/20/8228#more-8...




http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com /
Mormons Dont Like You Much, Either
Timothy Kincaid
January 20th, 2009
One of the common claims coming from the Mormon Church is that they love gay people and favor justice, they just have to protect the sanctity of eternal marriage. But three new polls taken in Utah suggest that this may be more rhetoric than reality.

First, the good news. Utah residents only 2/3 of which are Mormons do favor some changes in a pro-gay direction. For example, 56% of Utahns favor some additional legal protections such as hospital visitation and inheritance. And a poll by Equality Utah is claiming that majorities of Utah residents favor job and housing protection.

But thats about where the good news ends. Of the polled Utah Mormons,

67% think you should not be allowed to adopt,
85% oppose civil unions,
85% think it was appropriate to urge members to donate time and money to Proposition 8,
58% think it was inappropriate for gays to protest outside the LDS temple grounds, and
less than half think you should be allowed hospital visitation, inheritance rights, and job protections.
Not all positions that one might hold contrary to the interests of gay equality are an indication of bigotry.

But, seriously, hospital visitation? Inheritance?





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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:10 AM
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1. This one really surprised me,
'85% think it was appropriate to urge members to donate time and money to Proposition 8'

So basically, they don't support the separation of church and state,
one of the primary components of our democracy.

Thanks for posting this, Bluedawg.

I've bookmarked it for future reference.

:)
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:17 AM
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2. Yeah that was a shocker.
Supporting their own tax free entities' right to enter into political activism.

Well, then, pay taxes damnit, we have a national debt! :evilgrin:

You are very welcome. :hi:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:30 AM
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3. Exactly!

Their tax free status should be pulled
immediately!

:hi:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:50 AM
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4. Wait! This is choice! 85% oppose Civil Unions!1011!!!#
So, if it were strictly a religious argument about the word: "marriage" then the unacceptable to gays alternative, civil unions, should be no barrier to fair minded people.


But noooooooooooo. These people even oppose granting civil rights , without the word marriage.

That is why most of Teh Gay oppose civil onions, we know what lurks beneath, separate but unequal!


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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:51 PM
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5. Also known as
segregation.

:(

( luv the bopping big kitteh, btw)

:)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 02:33 PM
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6. So has the IRS investigated these churches yet?
Yank their exempt status.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:58 PM
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11. They should!

In fact they should start investigating
right now.

How many tax exempt churches are
preaching politics from their pulpits?

Answer-a lot!
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:11 PM
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8. It's an unfortunate side effect of religious enthusiasm
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 03:11 PM by kenny blankenship
These Very Godly people should ponder this: without separation of church and state written into our Bill of Rights, they would most likely be obliged to attend an Episcopalian church and support it with their taxes - that's Bishop Gene Robinson's outfit, btw. Ooh La La!

Now how do they like separation of church and state?
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:00 PM
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12. LOL!
I like the way you think, young man!

:) :hi:
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:11 PM
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7. An interesting link if you haven't seen it yet....
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:27 PM
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9. Utahns?
People from Utah, do you refer to yourselves as Utahns? If so, I just learned something new. Thanks!
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 04:01 PM
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10. I think it's " Utards"
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:47 PM
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13. here, click on this
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/civil_rights /

I think Mr. Obama will do good. Lets give him some time.
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