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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 09:49 AM
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What it cost Obama...
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:02 AM
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>>As an old community organizer he should recognize that he has prematurely set up a culminating event of reconciliation without laying the required groundwork and without doing the necessary healing first, and without clearly stating the limits of religion, especially conservative evangelical religion, in government, and realizing the intense pain this would cause many of his supporters who have been subject to homophobic hate and after the abuses of the last eight years under Bush.<<
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:45 AM
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3. He's not trying to reconcile anybody.
He's trying to show the fundamentalists, whose asses he has been kissing nonstop ever since he got presidential ambitions, that he's one Democrat who will not take orders from the most hated members of the right wing demonology: uppity queers and hairy-legged feminazis.

That's what this is about.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:07 PM
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hairy-legged feminazis :rofl:



But seriously, I think they are both using each other.

I think the PE jumped the gun on puster rick and underestimated the rage we all feel after Hate8.

He had a tin ear to our mood politically and usually he has been good at playing the verious ineterst groups.

he got very little pay-off - if any-- for this decision.


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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:40 AM
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2. a comment from the website--
“As Californians we expressed our voices at the polls November 4th. Prop 8 won by a margin of 600,000 votes: 7,001,084 to 6,401,483. To provide some context for this vote:

Prop. 8 received 2,150,000 MORE votes than did Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was reelected in 2006
Prop. 8 received nearly 2 million MORE votes than Dianne Feinstein did when she was reelected to the US Senate in 2006

Prop. 8 received 250,000 MORE votes than did John Kerry when he carried California in 2004

Prop. 8 received 45,000 MORE votes than did Barbara Boxer in her landslide reelection to the U.S. Senate in 2004

Prop. 8 passed with approximately the same percentage of the vote that Barack Obama received nationally.

So I wholeheartedly agree with President- elects decision to include Pastor Warren, a man who represents a large portion of our country.

Thank You President-elect Obama for not excluding those of us who have socially conservative values!”


However the commenter, gleeful that President-elect Obama did not "exclude" those Californians with "socially-conservative values," didn't point out that support for same-sex marriages in California have almost doubled since 1977:

Public opinion

In a poll taken one week after the decision by the court, a Los Angeles Times poll found that 54 percent of respondents supported an amendment to the California constitution to ban gay marriage.<52> However, a Field Poll survey tracking attitudes toward same-sex marriage in California has shown steadily increasing support since Field first asked the question in 1977, when only 28 percent supported the idea. According to the Field Poll, support for same-sex marriage in California reached a majority for the first time in 2008, with 51 percent in support, 42 percent opposed, and 7 percent with no opinion. <53> The poll also showed majority support among those under 50 years of age, with 68 percent of 18 to 29 year olds supporting it. Among those 65 or older, support drops to 36 percent. Majorities in support of same sex marriages were also found among those living in Los Angeles County, the San Francisco Bay Area and other more urban parts of Northern California, while a majority of those in the Central Valley and the more rural parts of Southern California were opposed.


Wikipedia

It would seem that 51% "for" and 42% "opposed" is a sizable margin. Wasn't there a last-ditch effort by conservatives backed by big money to pass Prop. 8?
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:04 AM
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4. When I look up
it still looks like the bottom of the bus.
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plantwomyn Donating Member (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 02:52 PM
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6. Oh that's where the tire treads came from.
I for one expected it to happen, but not this soon. I had to leave DU for a while when it became clear that any criticism of Obama would be frowned on. I knew my vote was wasted, but I've voted every year and this isn't the first time I've voted for the lesser of two evils
I heartens me to hear the commentary on MSM daily that the "gays" are pissed off. Never expected them to notice. They're still talking about it days later. Must be a slow news cycle.
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