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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:11 AM
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I find the comments that Obama is HELPING US by using Rick Warren even more horrific than the choice
to use Rick Warren.

Can't wait for whatever gains WE make to be attributed to Obama helping us "dialogue" with scumsucking bigots who lump us in with pedophiles and criminals. What pisses me off most is that he and his supporters get to piss on us and hold us down, and say "look Obama's changing minds on your behalf."
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:16 AM
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1. Obama's appearance at Saddleback was a fiasco engineered by Warren
Have people forgotten that already?
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:21 AM
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5. Yes, but it was "dialogue"
while Warren was agitating for Hate8!
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:16 AM
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2. Oh this should be fun...
:popcorn:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:20 AM
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3. They have two strategies when stabbing us in the back.
We are victims.

We are helping you.

Both are craven and cynical and so was the Warren pick.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:20 AM
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4. They're grasping at straws.
I've started asking them what they're smoking. I think that some of them actually believe that Obama will be handing out magic ponies. Talk about a cult of personality.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:22 AM
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6. Will you let me know when Obama starts handing out magic ponies
I have always wanted a pony. A magic one would be AWESOME.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:25 AM
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7. I'm keeping them all until I get my rights.
:pals:
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:32 AM
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10. That's fair
:pals:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:29 AM
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8. I don't want another Pastor in Chief it is not Obama's job
to debate theology with fundy's on my behalf - it IS his job to help pass legislation for justice and fair for gay rights.
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RobertoRoberti Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:31 AM
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9. The worst thing about Rick Warren's appearance at the Inauguration
is that this prestigious acknowledgment will make it that much easier for Warren to collect "tithes" from his gullible believers. And this money will then be spent on future campaigns against gay rights.

Why couldn't Obama give this forum to someone who doesn't already have a national forum?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:43 AM
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11. Hey, welcome to DU!
The answer is: I truly don't know why he did this. I suppose he wants to send a message to his base--you're not my base.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 12:59 AM
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12. Very good point. Welcome to DU.
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devinkay Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 02:01 AM
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13. It's called politics.
The main by-product of extremism is division. We despised the neo-con-run Bush cabal for its unbridled ideological bullying; now it seems we have a vocal faction on the left advocating for the same all-or-nothing tactics. Obama campaigned on the promise of ending that. While you might not like his choice (I don't), at least allow that there's a method to his madness. He really does seem to be trying to bring meaningful change to American politics, to bring all of us back from the far angry edges.

Does anyone here really believe all this vitriol is going to change anything for the better? Sure, there's a far outside chance you might stir up enough stink to force him to reconsider his choice (I hope not), but how will it look to the nation and the world to have him already backing down from a decision, especially one so relatively insignificant, and especially now when we all so need a true and firm leader?

If the Democratic majority in Congress manages to get out of its way long enough to send up a gay equal rights bill Obama will sign it, period. Meanwhile, he's playing the kind of shrewd politics that got him so far so quickly; he understands the importance of covering all the bases -- remember that fifty-state strategy?

Forty-five percent of Americans don't support gay rights. White male evangelicals voted for Obama four-to-one over Kerry in '04. That's a lot of Americans that he could ignore and marginalize now, or a lot of Americans that he can begin to gentle over to a less militant mindset by simply offering a bit of consideration. Not power, just courteous respect. Meanwhile, those on the left who are raising Cain now will continue to support a progressive agenda as they always have.

Obama and Warren have a political friendship going back some years. You can be sure they've discussed the whys and wherefores of this move inside and out and made a bargain in the process. By giving Warren the inaugural invocation Obama improves his own standing among evangelicals and elevates Warren to celebrity status above and beyond James Dobson and the rest of the fundamentalist leaders, whose influence will diminish proportionately. And don't think Warren hasn't accepted the price tag attached to that. Obama's taking some heat now from people he knows the party isn't going to lose, and Warren's going to slide ever so subtly toward a more moderate and reasoned position, maybe not pro-gay marriage but much less vocal and strident. Watch.

In the end, Obama's going to pass progressive measures, rob the Republicans of the only large-scale institutional support they have remaining, and ensure Democratic ascendancy for many election cycles to come. So, yeah, he's helping you, whether you get it or not. All this hand-wringing makes great theater for the freepers and wingnuts, though; they're eating it up. Bet some of them are even beginning to think ol' Obama might not be so bad after all. Might even lower their defenses a tad. Maybe just enough to begin to think about alternative viewpoints... civility, rational discourse, common ground, compromise. Change.
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