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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:14 AM
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Democrats and Schools
The Democratic Party has battled for universal health care this year, and over the decades it has admirably led the fight against poverty — except in the one way that would have the greatest impact.

Good schools constitute a far more potent weapon against poverty than welfare, food stamps or housing subsidies. Yet, cowed by teachers’ unions, Democrats have too often resisted reform and stood by as generations of disadvantaged children have been cemented into an underclass by third-rate schools.

President Obama and his education secretary, Arne Duncan, are trying to change that — and one test for the Democrats will be whether they embrace administration reforms that teachers’ unions are already sniping at.

It’s difficult to improve failing schools when you can’t create alternatives such as charter schools and can’t remove inept or abusive teachers. In New York City, for example, unions ordinarily prevent teachers from being dismissed for incompetence — so the schools must pay failed teachers their full salaries to sit year after year doing nothing in centers called “rubber rooms.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/opinion/15kristof.html?th&emc=th
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:40 AM
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1. Good schools will also
increase the number of Democrats. Only stupid become repuge.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 04:26 PM
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2. We will be more than happy to get rid of the rubber rooms.
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 05:03 PM by Smarmie Doofus
The city... i.e. the republican, pro-privatization, anti-union gov't of billionaire Michael Bloomberg.... insists on keeping them.


http://www.rubberroommovie.com/

Kristoff is gullible as hell.

Edit to add: Also, his employer, NYT, has been relentlessly anti-teachers' union since the *1960's*. In other words ... since there WAS a teachers' union in NYC.

Look it up.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:37 PM
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4. NYC schools are ground zero
for what is happening all over the country to teachers. If your district isn't resorting to widespread abuse of teachers in order to save money, it will be soon. At the same time the unions sit idly by, allowing this to happen and are often in cahoots with the administrators who engage in it.

No wonder public schools are going down a rathole.


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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:16 PM
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3. "cowed by Teacher's Unions"
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 05:17 PM by Dinger
nice. Nice smear article on teachers and their unions.

-1 from me
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 10:40 AM
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5. I guess posting RW filth is OK
as long as it has praise of Obama and Duncan in it.

Amazing what DU is quickly becoming.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 05:35 PM
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6. Goddamn PVnRT, You Speak For Me
RW filth indeed. You said it in a nutshell.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 11:48 AM
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9. Oh yeah.
Any education thread quickly devolves into "Well, here's what *I* heard!" followed by some anecdote about School X in South Bumfuck that did something someone didn't like.

It's horrible here.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 07:12 PM
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7. Duncan and Obama's reforms aren't worth embracing.
They are corporate union-busting and privatization reforms.

If Democrats "embrace" reforms like that, they can kiss any support from me goodbye.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 08:16 PM
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8. Me Neither
Sheesh.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 08:57 PM
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10. Well first you have to assume that our children are being served by third-rate schools
Lost me right from the start. LOL
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