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Sadena Meti Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:12 PM
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Woman attempts suicide and eventually caused live baby's death.
Should this woman be convicted, commited, or sent home with a slap on the wrist.


Woman who attempted suicide while pregnant is accused of murder. Prosecution would be a 'significant step' towards abortion being outlawed, says lawyer for pregnant women's group.

A woman accused of murdering her four-day-old baby girl by trying to kill herself with rat poison while pregnant has become a cause clbre for US women's groups and civil liberties organizations.

...

A few days later, on 23 December, she went to a hardware store, bought rat poison pellets, went back to her flat in Indianapolis and swallowed some. But she did not die immediately and was persuaded by friends to go to hospital.

She was given treatment to counteract the poison and gave birth on New Year's Eve, but her daughter, Angel, suffered seizures and died after four days.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/woman-attem...

Another version has it that the baby died after 3 days from bleeding in the brain after being taken of life support at the mother's request.

http://www.theweeklyvice.com/2011/03/bei-bei-shuai-char...

This version confirms the corner's conclusion that the baby died from being poisoned.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/04/police-baby-died-afte...




PS. You editing rules are lame.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:21 PM
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1. it's unfortunate that mental illness runs so rampant in this country
Edited on Thu Apr-28-11 09:21 PM by notadmblnd
There's really no way anyone could make a judgement about what happened and what should happen to this woman based on what you posted.



But why come here and slam DU? "you editing rules are lame"
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Sadena Meti Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:28 PM
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2. There's plenty of information to make a judgement from, if you read the articles.
She poisoned herself and her baby.

The baby was born alive.

She took the baby off life support.

The baby died from poisoning.

These are the facts in the case, as they will be presented.

So make a judgment, express an opinion, explore the concepts.


As for my editing remarks, I had to delete the thread because I quoted 5, not 4, paragraphs (sentences really). A second edit would have made it all better. Instead I had to rewrite the thread. That's lame.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:34 PM
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3. She is obviously a very sick person
Who does it serve to toss her in prison? I doesn't help her, it doesn't help society. She needs major help and should probably be committed.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:40 PM
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5. I sincerely hope you're never called for jury duty.
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Sadena Meti Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 07:48 AM
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6. I wouldn't want to be, plus I as a felon they automatically let you leave.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:37 PM
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4. She should be provided mental health services. Period.
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Sadena Meti Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 01:42 PM
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7. So the death of a legally living person should go without notice?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:01 PM
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9. This death has gotten notice, what you mean "go without notice"? What is a "legally living person"?
How is it different from an "illegally living person"? Seems odd.
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Sadena Meti Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 05:57 AM
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10. Playing with words can be fun.
What I am saying is that a 3-4 day old infant meets and LEGAL definition of a person. No one debates that (except me, see other thread). It was not anencephalic, where there could be some debate.

A human being died due to the actions of another human being. And no one on the left thinks there should be any repercussions.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 10:01 PM
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14. "no one on the left thinks there should be any repercussions. " What? How did you decide that?
And what do you think the repercussions should be?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:51 PM
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8. She should get mental health care.
ps if you don't like the editing rules here, or what we reply back to you, there are plenty of other websites to go to.
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Sadena Meti Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 06:02 AM
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11. If she is mentally ill she should be put on trial, evaluated, and get an NGI.
NGI = Not Guilty by reason of Insanity.

And then be committed for care. Until such time as she is no longer a danger to herself or others.

Doing something rash does not make one mentally ill. Doing something without taking in the moral consequences does not make one mentally ill.




Editing rules being lame:

I trimmed the article down from full text to 5 sentences (not even paragraphs), and instead of letting me edit it again, I have to delete it. That by any standard is a lame policy, especially when the next day I saw a 5 paragraph and a 6 paragraph article getting no attention.

Going to other boards:

I need volume. I'd love to back to RevLeft.com (5000 active posters who are a whole lot more interesting), but alas I was banned for calling for democracy.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 10:04 PM
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15. Not every post breaking rules is acted on since there are so many. If they aren't noticed, or
alerted on, frequently they pass. The editing rules you think are lame are due to copyright laws. Several forums, blogs, websites, have had legal action taken against them for posting more than the 3-4 paragraphs. Yes, it sucks when an article is written that each sentecne is its own paragraph, and no DU hasn't had to pay a fine. But having to pay for legal help to fight such legal action is not what the Du administration with to do with their money or time.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 06:06 PM
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12. This was not uncommon before Roe
Yes, you hear about the back alleys and coat hangers, but there were other instances where young women plain just took their own lives, and that of their unborn.

Didn't Indiana just vote to end funding to Planned Parenthood, and make abortion very, very difficult? I hate to say this, but roll back the clock, and you will more young women doing the same as this woman, possibly even worse.

I am an old lady. I don't want the young women of today to experience what many of my and earlier generations had to live through.

These Pro Birth peoople just don't get it.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 09:26 PM
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13. hmm. Figures. Even your website is in black and white.
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Sadena Meti Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:10 AM
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16. I happen to like black (see my clothing), and white is the only good font color to show up.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:53 PM
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17. It also says you don't vote. Why don't you vote? -nt
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:54 PM
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18. Locking.
This member has been escorted from the building by the moderators.

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