Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What is "life"? What is "personhood"? What is "choice"?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Choice Donate to DU
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 06:59 PM
Original message
What is "life"? What is "personhood"? What is "choice"?
Edited on Tue Jan-25-11 07:05 PM by uppityperson
Define your terms please. If you want to discuss being pro-choice, or pro-life, seems it is good to define these terms first.
Refresh | +1 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. Life is
the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, etc.

Personhood based on viability. A fetus is not innocent, as anti-choice people claim. Although an unwanted fetus has no ill intent, it is exploiting the woman's body and endangering her life and health against her will. Bringing a pregnancy to term is far riskier than having an abortion, and any pregnancy has a profound effect on a woman's whole being, mentally and physically. Therefore, a woman has the right to defend her life and health with an abortion. A woman with a born child is under no legal obligation to donate a kidney or blood to save her child's life, so how can a fetus have even more rights over the womans body than her born child? It cant. Even if a fetus has a right to life, a pregnant woman cannot be required to save it by loaning out her body for nine months against her will. Once a woman is pregnant, she must give her consent for the pregnancy to continue.

In response, anti-choice people say that because the woman chose to have sex, she must accept the risk of pregnancy. But sex is not a contract for pregnancy. People have a constitutional right to non-procreative sex because of legalized birth control, which implicitly provides the right to have sex without reproducing. Regardless, consent to sex does not entail consent to pregnancy, any more than consent to swimming implies consent to drown.

One of the best tests of personhood is viability, upon which the 1973 Supreme Court decision Roe vs. Wade was based. Viability is defined as the ability to live outside the womb. It is based upon the broader logic that "a person is as a person does." In other words, people normally breathe on their own, circulate blood on their own, fight off most germs on their own and sustain normal cellular activity on their own. A fetus is able to achieve these functions once it reaches a weight of about 5 pounds. This usually occurs between the 7th and 8th month of pregnancy -- coincidentally, about the time that the baby has finished its brain and central nervous system.

Choice is trusting women to exercise their sensible moral judgment; and trusting doctors to exercise their professional medical judgment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #8
22. Um... no. Griswold v. Connecticut and Eisenstadt v. Baird
The use of birth control falls under a constitutional right to privacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenstadt_v._Baird
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:25 PM
Response to Original message
2. I'm only qualified to suggest an answer for the first question, "what is life?"
Edited on Tue Jan-25-11 07:41 PM by mike_c
Believe me, as a biologist, that is something I think about a LOT. There are lots of supposed "definitions" of life, but most really don't meet the standard of being comprehensive, i.e. applicable to all living organisms, and exclusive, or NOT true of non-living organisms. Most attempts to define "life" do so by listing a set of attributes generally true of living things-- they're capable of reproduction and self assembly using information passed from one generation to the next as nucleotide sequences in DNA molecules, movement, etc. The sorts of attributes that populate the first chapter of most college biology texts.

Like I say though, after you think about those attributes for a while they become unsatisfying. There are just too many exceptions to the rules, and we have no idea how far they can be generalized. When I discuss them with my biology students, I tell them that I'm uncomfortable with their ability to accurately define "life." Would an Earth trained biologist necessarily recognize any living organism anywhere in the universe using those attributes, for example?

At the risk of falling into some of the same traps, I'd start by noting that life is invariably complex. Really complex, especially when compared to inorganic systems. Complexity seems to be a hallmark of all the life forms we're aware of. Most biological entities are far more complex than non-biological entities-- macromolecules, for example, the basic building blocks of biological life, require substantial investment of energy and PURPOSE to organize and maintain against entropy.

Living organisms store information about how they organized themselves (DNA is only one aspect of information storage in living systems-- there are others). Information density seems to be another attribute of life that biology textbooks rarely talk about.

One view that I keep coming back to is that life is no more than information dense, self assembling material complexity that ties processes at multiple hierarchies of scale into a single operating entity, probably as an emergent property of matter itself. This is overly general, but we need a general definition that can be applied to extraterrestrial life, because there IS an easy out for defining life on Earth. We also need it for generating hypotheses that we can think about when we're lying awake in the middle of the night....

The easy out is an OPERATIONAL definition, if not a comprehensive one. First, all living organisms in existence on Earth today can be traced through common descent to one or more "last common ancestors," so an easy operational definition is that living organisms are those that share a common lineage from those ancestors. It's convenient that from a biological perspective, life need only have "begun" once, at least on Earth, some 3.5 billion years ago. Shared common descent from that initial starting point is a convenient, workable definition of life on Earth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:33 PM
Response to Original message
3. Question: Aren't we just a fungus spreading across a planet and will eventuall destroy it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. strictly speaking, no-- we're multicellular opisthokont eukaryotes spreading across the planet...
Edited on Tue Jan-25-11 07:37 PM by mike_c
...and choking the life out of it. Fungi are in a different clade. :rofl:

Come to think of it, they'll undoubtedly benefit from all the rot we leave behind!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 06:59 AM
Response to Reply #4
18. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 08:38 PM
Response to Original message
5. . . . .
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 07:30 PM
Response to Original message
6. kicking since we've had some new people come post and I'd like to hear their thoughts on this
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-11 08:51 PM
Response to Original message
7. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. To clarify, are you saying "life" is "the threshold of viability"? Thank you. And...
What is "personhood"? What is "choice"?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Yet you claim a 3 or 4 day old infant a "person". Another clarification please.
In the choice debate, "but it is a person" is used by the anti-choicers, the ones who want every abortion to be stopped since that is killing a person. What do you say to them? What you wrote here seems to contradict what you said elsewhere that a 3-4 day old is a person. "So the death of a legally living person should go without notice?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

To clarify this post, are you saying an infant is not a "person" until they are self-aware?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. I am confused.
You wrote " Personhood applies self-awareness, and get this, even born babies aren't self aware!"
You also wrote "So the death of a legally living person should go without notice?" about a 3-4 day old.
You also write "Life is a valid concept, personhood is not."


I am confused about your definition of person as these 3 statements are contradictory. Or do you mean as far as abortions go?

I agree that an embryo is not a person as far as Choice issue goes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 05:50 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-30-11 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Thank you for the explanation. I try to clarify rather than assuming, thank you. Another
question for you now. Or 2.
"So you are left with "does the fetus at a given stage qualify as an independent life?" and "do we have the right (natural right) to kill that life?"

You thoughts on these questions you pose? Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. There are people all over the board here on this subject
Many of us feel as you do since this is how, legally, things stand. But most of us here have the HUGE caveat that the existing functioning person out in the world, HER health takes precedence over the potential.

I do hope you are not one of those who believe, wrongly, that a woman can waltz (or simply walk) into a clinic and get an abortion the day before she would give birth. Late term abortions are not done lightly and have good reasons. Rather like gallbladder operations.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #21
23. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #23
24. There's no such thing as "purely elective late term abortions".
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. You are wrong.
88.2% of abortions were conducted at or prior to 12 weeks, 10.4% from 13 to 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks.

Those after 21 weeks are NOT elective.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #26
27. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #27
62. You want a law FORCING people to say something and FORCING other people to listen.
How the fucking hell can anybody defend such a thing?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. Children.
Now you're saying pregnant women (and DOCTORS!) are like children.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. Some anarchist.
Edited on Mon May-02-11 03:32 PM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
I'm through with you. When DU comes back from the high-traffic limitations, take a look at my sig line, pigeon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. See sig line in the post below, pigeon.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #68
75. Why wait? Here's my sig line. It applies to things other than creationists, too.
"Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory."
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #75
79. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. So, pigeon, you think pregnant women should get medicine degrees too.
And an engineer should be forced to teach electronics to everybody who buys the gizmos they design. And the buyers are forced to listen. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #27
70. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #70
78. Wow. Your life must be complete now, pigeon.
Whereas we will be condemned to a life of arid despair because we had messages deleted. :eyes:

Pathetic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Logic is that all abortion restrictions should be repealed.
The end.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. You thing women and doctors are that evil? (special message for CPD inside)
Never mind, you do.

Oh fuck off. Just fuck off and die in a fire you disrupting mother-fucking troll. I am done with you and will only respond to you with Green Day lyrics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. And you think we should legislate all matters based on extremes? Or just abortion?
That was rhetorical. I know your answer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. If you were really pro-logic and pro-science, you would understand
and advocate that every pregnancy and the woman's own situation is unique. It is *all* shades of gray, a gray that cannot be legislated in black and white terms.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Such thoughts reveal your black and white thinking on the subject.
You're really not big on variables are you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Everyone's personal situation is different.
Every woman's pregnancy is different. Sorry that you're living in your world where you can't understand that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. And all women are cookie cut. Right.
You are willfully ignorant of the subject, which is why you won't ever understand and will be content to just shit-stir for attention.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Yes, shit-stirrer, he is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Don't know about her parents, but mine never suffered fool gladly.
They wouldn't have had a problem with calling you quite a number of names. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #46
61. It's not ad hominem when the description is accurate and based on verifiable evidence.
Namely, your posts.

If you don't want to be insulted, don't be a dick. Of course, for you, it's too late for that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #61
65. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. Your post have zero merit. No, wait, they have negative merit.
I know your type. You're looking at this gigantic subthread and laughing to yourself, "Huh huh. Huh huh. I'm sure pissin' off them librul baby killas. Huh huh. Go Walker! Down with union thugs! Huh huh."

Well, I have news for you. All this is us having fun at you, pointing at the stupid clown and laughing. Seeing the likes of you droning their bullshit on and on makes our convictions MORE solid, not less.

You are a failure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. There's that ego talkin!
You must think you're special or unique. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. Oh, he's God's gift to humanity. In pigeon form.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #77
82. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. You did get one thing right
You're not unique.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. Before this forum,
most of his posts were in the gungeon. They didn't particularly like him there, either. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. He pissed Wisconsin off, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. You just ignored the possibility that a person who voted for Walker could ever vote for the recall.
You call THAT logic?

I'd whip up the Inigo Montoya image again, but I'm lazy. You know the drill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. Are you seriously arguing there are no cases of Walker voters declaring opposition to him?
I'm not from WI, but PeaceNikki was heavily involved in that process and will probably be able to provide facts easier. I'm not going on a wild goose chase for your benefit. That's a ridiculously outlandish allegation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #64
67. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #50
57. It's never one subject only, is it? -nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #47
52. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #52
58. Jesus H. Christ, how pathetic one can get?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #52
90. Ah! Now I understand! You're Donald Trump!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. It's not ego, but facts. No one has the exact same circumstances.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. What kind of idiot deduces "I think I'm special" from "I think no two people are alike"?
(Don't bother answering, that was rhetorical.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #54
71. If you look at his website....
you'll find that he's a nihilist. Now isn't that "special"? :D
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #71
80. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. Including a non-voter. Why don't you vote, pigeon?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #55
59. Do you think computer mice should not have a scroll wheel?
See, I can do disjointed non sequiturs too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. To clarify, are you saying "life" is "the threshold of viability"?
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-11 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Thank you for your reply. Too often these terms are thrown around with different meanings for
different people. People who assume others have the same meaning. It is good to clarify what is meant since it can vary so widely.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:28 PM
Response to Original message
86. Troll is gone.
Yipe-kee-yay, motherfucker.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #86
87. Good news!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. + 1
good, he was a tiresome bore
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #86
89. Thank you, Lars and whoever else got rid of it.
appreciate your work.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
ehrnst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 11:46 AM
Response to Original message
91. Life is a continuum.Personhood is independent existence from another's body. Choice is
the ability to have the option of saying yes or no to childbearing, independent of saying yes or no to sex with a man - which by extension, gives you the option to say yes or no to many, many other paths in life.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-11 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
92. kicking to boost it up since we have some new visitors to this forum
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Jul 25th 2014, 02:22 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Choice Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC