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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:42 PM
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Okay, when is Bama going to get a coach?
I like Kines. He is old school and pretty darn colorful. He has some great quotes. The only drawback would be his age - although he could be cut from the same tough cloth as Bowden and Joe Pa. In that case, it would be good to offer the job to him.

I hear Saban's name floated around but I'm not too familiar with him. I know that it has been said that he misses the "teaching" aspect of coaching so maybe that would tip him towards college coaching.

Whoever is targeted, I'm sure our AD will screw it up somehow. The man is an idiot.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 11:36 AM
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1. Larry Coker is available.
:shrug:
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:54 PM
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4. .
:spray:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:22 PM
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2. Bama offers Saban $40M to coach
<snip>

"The University of Alabama today delivered to Dolphins coach Nick Saban an offer to leave Miami and become the Crimson Tide's coach.

Saban has not decided whether to stay or go.

The Dolphins coach is expected to meet with the media later this afternoon but might not announce a decision.

The Crimson Tide's offer was for approximately $40 million for an undetermined amount of years.

Saban has $15 million remaining on his contract with the Dolphins that extends for three more seasons. Saban is free to go to Alabama because there is no buyout or departure penalty from his Miami contract."

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16362536.htm
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 02:54 PM
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3. $40 million??
:wow:

That's an awful lot of money. I wonder what our backup plan is if Saban turns us down. :eyes: We're just taking our sweet time with it, aren't we?
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-01-07 06:17 PM
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5. It is important to do it right
When you rush, you get Ty Willingham.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:10 AM
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9. Or you get a coach who goes nuts right after hiring
like Mike Price, bless his heart. :eyes:
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 12:55 AM
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13. I kind of like Mike Price
I wonder what Brodie Croyle would have been like under Mike Price?

I think I could have worded that a little better. :D
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:36 PM
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15. ha! ha!!
Price would have done a great job, IMO. I don't understand that meltdown at all.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:21 AM
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6. did you watch the Fiesta Bowl?
Chris Petersen might be a great catch!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:11 AM
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10. I missed the Fiesta Bowl. It was one of the few
I think I've OD'd on football this weekend! Ah, such bliss!

I'm going to be watching Wake Forest/Louisville tonight, baby. It's going to be a great game. Go, Wake!
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 01:23 AM
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7. I think Kines would be a disaster
I think he's the same age as Steve Spurrier, 62, but he seems a lot older. He has a great love for the University, but I think there's probably a good reason he's been an assistant coach for forty years.

We will have a high-quality coach at the podium before the week is out.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:09 AM
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8. I wonder if the new coach will keep Kines
He does seem much older than 62. I want us to get a coach who is going to be around for awhile and not retire after a year or so.

I don't get much Bama news here in NC. Everything around here is either NASCAR or basketball. :cry:
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 12:26 AM
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12. well...
Edited on Wed Jan-03-07 12:33 AM by Syrinx
If we get Saban, I think he'll probably clean house. If, on the other hand, it's someone, God forbid, like Houston Nutt, Kines will probably stay in place. I'm just guessing though really.

If the decision to ax Shula had been made just a little earlier, we could have gotten Butch Davis before he signed with North Carolina. From what I've heard, he was actively campaigning for the job.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 02:37 PM
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16. Is Nutt being considered?
See, being outside of Alabama, I just miss this kind of news. x(
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 01:20 AM
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17. from what I hear, he made it known that he would take the job
But I just saw a post on scout that indicates that Saban let it be known that he was interested as early as October. I can't say that I can vouch for the veracity of the post, but I will say that it has the ring of truth to me.

OK here goes I told ya'll I'd give you a synopsis of what transpired for Alabama to land Nick Saban. Here it is.

The week after the Alabama vs UT game, Saban's agent contacted Alabama officials to inform them that Nick would be interested in talking to them about the head coaching position if it were to come open. At that time, Mike Shula had full confidence from his superiors and there was no reason to believe that there would be a coaching vacancy, however there were beginning to be some rumblings within power circles that Shula was over his head and it was becoming obvious. Anyone who watched Alabama underachieve could not deny it. Then came the loss to MSU and that is when the powers that be started reviewing their options. The week after that game, Mal met with Shula and told him that there had be signs of improvement the following two weeks. He didn't dictate that Shula had better win but back to my point earlier, it was obvious the team was digressing instead of progressing. Bama played better but lost to a good LSU team and for the most part it looked like the problems had been addressed. Then came the Auburn game. Shula horribly mismanaged that game and Dr. Witt and Mal were both so furious that they stormed out of their skybox before the game ended.
Let me go back a little. Mike Price brought in an OL coach named Bob Connelly who taught the zone blocking scheme that is ideal for a spread offense. Shula retained him when he came and it became painfully obvious to everyone (except Shula) that the zone blocking scheme was not working for the pro set that Shula wanted to run. It was clear in 2004 that a new OL coach was needed and Shula never addressed it. Also, although Shula had an "OC" in Dave Rader he chose to call the plays himself and quite frankly was not very good at it. Back to the Auburn loss; Mal held a meeting with Shula the Monday after the Auburn game and told him that he needed to address the problems with the O-line and with playcalling and (or as my source told me, gave him an open book test with the answers). There were also serious issues in regards to discipline and S&C that needed addressing. Shula did not demand S&C participation and left it up to his assistants to oversee player participation, however he did not back up his coaches when the players were not attending as they should. They met again the next day and Shula's plan was to move the OL coach to centers and guards and to move the ST coach (who has never ever coached the O line) to tackles. He also told Mal that he would not give up playcalling duties. Mal told him that was not acceptable and to present another plan to him the following day. Well, Shula came back the next day and gave him the exact same plan. What was really happening is that Shula was getting bad advice from Ray Perkins (who was Shula's coach at Bama and was positioning himself to be AD when Mal retired.) Perkins was telling Shula to stand his ground because they wouldn't dare fire him. In the meantime, Mal and Dr. Witt were making contengency plans. On the Sunday after Thanksgiving, Shula scheduled a players meeting for that night and attended that meeting and informed the players that there would be no changes and that all the coaches would be back next year. He was fired shortly after that meeting. What many don't realize is that Shula knew what he was doing and was trying to force Mal's hand because Mal had been trying to call him all day long and Shula wouldn't answer his phone. In the days preceeding the firing, Saban's camp had reiterated that they were interested in the job but would not talk further until there was an official opening. Once that opening came, talks progressed fast and Saban told Bama that if they would wait until the end of the NFL season that he would be theirs. At that time, Jimmy Sexton started leaking Spurriers name about the job and that was done in order to try and keep the attention off of Saban for as long as possible. There was really never any serious flirtation with Spurrier and contrary to reports he was never offered the job.
There is a group in the Alabama AD that I call the "rats". these guys consist of a bunch of good ole boys who have jobs because they know the right people and would rather protect their jobs than do what is best for Alabama. These "rats" were putting pressure via there powerful (BOT) friends on Mal to look at other options because they "thought" Saban and Sexton were just using Alabama to get an extension. The reason I put "thought" in parentheses is because these guys actually knew that Saban would come if Bama waited (and Mal and Dr. Witt were willing to wait) and they also knew that they would be out of a job if Saban came. Mal went to New York for the NCAA awards ceremonies and while there he met with three people (and you can call me crazy if you want but my record speaks for itself) Greg Schiano, Bob Stoops, and Rich Rodriquez. RR was very interested in the job and he was immediately positioned as the #2 guy if something should fall apart with Saban. Unfortunately, the "rats" convinced their BOT buddies that we could not take the chance to wait on Saban and we needed to get RR while we could. We offered him and he agreed. Now this is where it is pure speculation on my part but I really believe that Mal helped "sabatoge" the RR deal because he allowed him to go back to West Virginia to think it over, and thus allowing WV to counter offer. Thank god RR turned it down because #1 it allowed Mal to get back in control and it allowed the "rats" to be outed. After RR decline, Bama got together a powerful group to "support" Mal and keep the "rats" at bay. That group consisted of Joe Namath, Gene Stallings, Lee Roy Jordan, and Billy Neighbors (One of those guys is who I was getting my info from). Saban's camp once again said that things could happen if we would just wait. So we did. During the meantime, the contract was essentially drawn up between Sexton and Bama officials with the only thing holding the announcement being Dec 31. During this time Nick was already putting out feelers to guys he was interested in bringing in as assistants. On Jan 1, Mal and Billy flew down and Joe met them there. They met with Nick and his family and all plans were for a formal announcement on Tuesday, however, Nick thinks very highly of Wayne Huizenga and Wayne asked that Nick wait one more day to make the decision, which was never a decision at that point. Yesterday afternoon Nick signed some documents that were akin to promissory notes and then last night around 8:30 Nick signed the contract. Nick is in Tuscaloosa now and has already toured the facilities this afternoon. Press conference will be tomorrow at 10 am.

http://mb3.scout.com/fhsmsfrm13.showMessage?topicID=141...
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 02:08 PM
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18. Kines would fit in with the Bammer culture............
He was fired after the 3rd game of the '84 season while DC at Florida for being named in NCAA recruiting violations.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 09:45 PM
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20. delete
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 09:45 PM by piedmont
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:33 PM
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11. Dolphins' Saban, Huizenga meet and decision is delayed
<snip>

"Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga and coach Nick Saban met at the team's Davie training facility late Tuesday afternoon. Following the meeting, Huizenga said Saban's decision on whether or not he would remain as coach would be deferred until 10 a.m. Wednesday.

Saban is mulling a lucrative coaching offer from the University of Alabama.

"Coach asked if we could defer the decision until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning," Huizenga said. "Then he went into several reasons as to why he wanted to do that. I agree 100 percent with his reasons. I understand more now what he's thinking about. So I'm happy to give him until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning."

Huizenga said that he would meet with Saban at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Dolphins facility.

"I'm not upset. I love Nick Saban . . . I hope he stays. I'm optimistic," Huizenga said."

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16367857.htm
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 01:03 AM
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14. I think the reasons are lifestyle
The Sabans are from coal country in West Virginia, and I think they aren't real comfortable in the South Beach fast lane. I think they would prefer to live in a slower-paced college town. I hope Saban goes with his heart and leads the Crimson Tide for the next decade. But if he turns Alabama down, I'll probably claim I never wanted him. ;)
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 08:26 PM
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19. Horse Shit!
He's a scared fuck who couldn't get it done so he fled like a coward/
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:44 AM
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22. that's not what the Dolphins' owner said
Huizenga told Saban to follow his heart. Saban was willing to complete his contract, but Huizenga did what was best for Saban and the Dolphins -- told Saban to take the Alabama job and that he would find a coach who really wanted to coach the Dolphins.

Saban is no coward.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 09:06 AM
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24. Oh that's funny....
<snip>Huizenga said Saban never asked for more money, but when asked if the owner offered him a contract extension as a last-ditch effort to keep him from leaving, Saban looked at his agent, Jimmy Sexton, and was told not to answer.
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/colleges/...

Saban was willing to complete his contract is utter bullshit.

<snip>
Saban said he didn't make a final decision until Wednesday morning after spending a sleepless night mulling the offer with his wife, Terry. But Saban vacillated again after speaking by telephone with Huizenga, who lured him away from LSU in December 2004 with a five-year, $22.5 million contract.

"I talked to Wayne early in the morning about it again, which was another confusing moment," Saban said. "When he came over to the house is kind of when (I decided)." <end snip>

Does that sound like an owner who was encouraging Nick to leave? Yeah right.

Saban is a proven liar and his above comments about his not making the decision until Wednesday night is another huge whopper of a lie. He already confided with several different people days before that he was taking the job.

Saban knew he couldn't cut it in the NFL and he baled, pure and simple. He's a fucking coward and no matter how much Alabama fans try to spin it.... He's a liar and a classless scumbag.


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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:20 PM
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21. Enjoy him while he's there
I give him 4 years max until he goes after greener pastures.

Funny how he suddenly didn't like Miami after it turned out that all of his major decisions sucked (Culpepper).
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:49 AM
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23. I could deal with that
I hope he stays until retirement, but I wouldn't mind if he brought in Jimbo Fisher as OC and groomed him to replace Saban when Saban leaves.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 01:19 PM
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25. I think the jury is still out on C-Pep....
I also think Ronnie Brown is a hell of a back and that Jason Allen will be just fine.

Look---If C-Pep wasn't injured and had a Drew Brees type year, things would have been different for sure.... Saban's just scared shitless to see it through.
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