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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:27 PM
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Liberal professional athletes. Do they exist?
If so, who are they? I can't think of any off hand..... I've heard that the QB of the Bears is... anyone know?

:shrug:
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:50 AM
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1. Now backup QB of the Bears
Kyle Orton. He's stated publicly that he's a Democrat.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 06:54 AM
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6. He Even Used The Word "Liberal"
In an interview with "Our Guy" in the Tribune, he used the term "Liberal Democrat"!

That's a good thing.
The Professor
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:15 PM
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24. Said he'll probably pursue a career in politics after football.
Run Kyle Run!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:03 AM
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2. There are many
For whatever reason, they seem more prominent in basketball than sports like football or baseball, but they certainly exist. Franco Harris has contributed heavily to democrats, as has Alex Karras in football. In baseball, Hank Aaron has contributed heavily to democrats. In basketball, Bill Walton is a famous liberal, as is Dean Smith, and though Jordan was frequently apolitical, he has contributed to Dems lately.

Bill Bradley, basketball hall of famer, was a great liberal senator.

In Oklahoma, Sooner QB Jack Mildren is a famous (though not politically successful) Democrat.

Heath Shuler, who was a superstar at Tennesseee and played with the Redskins and Saints in the NFL, is running for Congress in NC as a Dem.

Barry Switzer, the great HC of the Oklahoma Sooners and Super Bowl Champion with the Dallas Cowboys, campaigned for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Brad Henry in OK in 2002.

Jake Plummer, though I'm not entirely certain, seems to express Democratic/liberal ideals.

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are more ...
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:13 AM
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3. I'm diggin' Jake's later day Jim Morrison look, too!.....
...
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:55 AM
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4. here's a story that grooves on his JM look
I don't know if this proves he's a dem, but there is much liberal attitude to it :)

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3382006
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:21 AM
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5. That's a great article. Thanks for forwarding it.....
...and you're right, whatever his party affiliation, there's a lot of liberal there.... :thumbsup:
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:28 PM
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50. He was a good friend of Pat Tillman. He has all the makings of an
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 07:29 PM by BleedingHeartPatriot
America loving liberal. MKJ
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:26 AM
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54. Agreed!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:54 AM
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7. Pat Tillman was very anti-war in Iraq and VERY anti-Bush
http://www.ivaw.net/index.php?id=175

Her contempt was directed at a September 25 San Francisco Chronicle story reporting that former NFL star and Army Ranger war hero Pat Tillman, who was killed in Afghanistan last year, believed the US war on Iraq was "f***ing illegal" and counted Noam Chomsky among his favorite authors. It must have been quite a moment for Coulter, who upon Tillman's death described him in her inimitably creepy fashion as "an American original-virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be." She tried to discredit the story as San Francisco agitprop, but this approach ran into a slight problem: The article's source was Pat Tillman's mother, Mary.
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:57 AM
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8. Quite a few. Rasheed Wallace refused to meet the president
after they won the championship.

Others did too, and there are many more.
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1gobluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:12 AM
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9. Many of the Pistons are liberals
Another reason to like them!
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:15 AM
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10. Adonal Foyle (center, NBA's Golden State Warriors)
In 2001, he founded Democracy Matters, a non-partisan student organization, as an effort to counteract political apathy on college campuses. The organizations signature issue is campaign finance reform. Active on over 30 college campuses, Democracy Matters involves hundreds of students and faculty nationwide through teach-ins, letter writing and petition campaigns, educational seminars, and voter registration drives.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonal_Foyle

It claims non-partisanship, but I don't think too mnay of those causes are Republican. ;)
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:09 AM
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11. Here is a fairly complete list
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:01 PM
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14. Bernie!!!! Nooooooo!!!!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:31 PM
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16. Yeah I know
Oh well he is still my guy anyway
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:35 PM
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17. Soooo...Bill Belichick is a Republican, eh?
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 02:42 PM by friesianrider
Just another reason to hate the pansy-ass Patriots. Hope their sniveling, whiney supporters on here see it.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:24 PM
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18. No, Belichick is a Dem (perhaps even a liberal)
He wasn't particularly active in the '04 campaign, but he did support John Kerry, and is on record as a Dem. He made one contribution to a Republican in an Ohio primary, and that candidate appears to be a personal friend. This is one of the drawbacks to drawing too many firm conclusions from Newsmeat.

But, of course, I wouldn't begrudge an Eagles fan the chance to take a shot at the Pats :) I'm not really a Patriots fan, but I do like their liberal ethic (refusing to be introduced individually at the opening of Super Bowl 36, for example).
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:31 AM
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55. Hostile much? nt
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:28 PM
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19. There's a danger in drawing conclusions from Newsmeat
I'm sure there information is accurate, and I love looking through their information, but as far as applying liberal/conservative labels (or even Dem/Republican labels), that can be tricky.

Phil Fulmer, for instance, has donated over 4000 dollars, entirely to Democrats, but looking more closely it appears all that money went to his former star Heath Shuler, so I'm not sure we can conclude Fulmer is even a democrat ...
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:01 PM
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22. I recall he also attended a function for Gore in 2000....
...plus as you said he's lobbied for Shuler, who is also a Democrat, so most indications are he's a Dem.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:17 PM
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26. That's cool. I didn't know that about stumping for Gore
I assumed the Shuler thing was helping out a former player, but if there's further evidence he's a dem, I'm all for it :)
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:03 PM
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23. Good news about Zygi Wilf. I like him even more. 2 were to Wellstone!
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 08:05 PM by kikiek
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:12 PM
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30. I am finding more and more things to like about Zygi Wilf
:woohoo:
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:25 AM
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31. Which makes me even more proud of him, especially since he fired...
...this guy...

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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:36 AM
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32. exactly!
:woohoo:
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:56 PM
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38. If I ever see that bonehead again it'll be too soon
Good to see Wilf is a good guy.
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Conker Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:59 PM
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60. Yuck.
I'm glad he was fired too.I'm also glad that Joe Gibbs' Redskins lost along with Belichek's Patriots.I noticed most of the coaches are Republicans.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:33 AM
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58. I'm liking Zygi more every day...
Contrary to the whining of some commentators, I think he handled the Tice firing and Childress hiring very well...

And Childress really seems to be on the ball...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:51 PM
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29. I'd ALWAYS heard Barkley was a Rep. Great!
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 10:54 PM by MookieWilson
No wonder he's such good friends with Michael Wilbon and Tony Kornheiser.

Joe Theismann's a surprise on the blue side.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:45 PM
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34. I agree, Theismann's contributions surprised me the most
His on-air comments always made me conclude he was a Republican, especially after the 2000 election when gushed about "all the terrific people in this new cabinet." In fairness, I do remember Theismann talking positively about a meeting and photo op with Jimmy Carter. They even showed the picture of Theismann and Carter on the air during Sunday night football. BTW, the ESPN play by play guy on those telecasts, Mike Patrick, was a very liberal Democrat who mentioned it several times over the years.

David Duval has also said he is a registered Democrat, virtually unheard of for a pro golfer. Too bad Duval is in a prolonged slump and may never be a major factor again.

Champion boxer Lamon Brewster is a vocal Democrat who said in the ring after a fight in 2004 that he was voting for Kerry, and later had a photo op with Kerry.

Here's a few paragraphs from this related link prior to the 2004 election: http://www.opednews.com/thoreau_102604_athletes.htm

"So it's important to note that Sen. John Kerry has received support from many current and retired athletes himself.

Those include NBA player Grant Hill; former NBA players Bill Walton and Bill Bradley; tennis player Andre Agassi; former tennis player John McEnroe; former NFL players Franco Harris and Alex Karras; former wrestler Jesse Ventura; boxer Lamon Brewster; and Julie Foudy and Abby Wambach, U.S. women's soccer players on the team that won the 2004 Olympic gold medal.

Then there are many who gave money to only Democratic politicians, but not Kerry specifically, so they probably support Kerry over Bush. They include NFL player Emmitt Smith; former NFL players Pettis Norman, Calvin Hill and Chris Zorich; former Major League Baseball player Hank Aaron; former NBA players Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Julius "Dr. J" Erving, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas and Tom McMillen; boxer Evander Holyfield; and former tennis players Martina Navratilova and Billie Jean King."
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 07:50 PM
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40. McMillen
was a Congressman from Maryland. Got screwed in redistricting back in the day.
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safi0 Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:13 PM
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41. Grant Hill's
Mom was roommates with Hillary Clinton.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:27 PM
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47. A lot of other tennis players are liberal despite privileged backgrounds
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 10:30 PM by spooky3
and, of course, many of the best players are not American. In fact, about the only ones I know of who are conservative (and of course I don't know the preferences of everyone!!!) are the retired Pete Sampras and his buddy Tim Henman--and possibly the retired Chris Evert (with her charitable events featuring Bush 41). I think Pam Shriver was once a staunch Repub. who has evolved into blue.

John McEnroe has donated to liberals & liberal causes.

It's probably the most truly international sport (other than soccer).
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hasbro Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:18 AM
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53. chuckles is an independant
The whole republican thing came out of a joke. I'm rich i must be Republican.

He endorsed clinton.

As a born Alabamian I hope he does end up in the Governor's Mansion. At least I know he'd beat the shit out of some people in Montgomery.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:54 PM
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37. ACK! Mario Lemiuex gave money to Santorum
LEMIEUX, MARIO
SEWICKLEY, PA 15143
PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

SANTORUM, RICHARD J (R)
Senate - PA
SANTORUM 2000 $500
primary 10/11/99


I'm in shock
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WernhamHogg Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 05:01 AM
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42. I saw that the other day!
I have never been a huge Lemieux fan, but until I saw that he donated to Rick Scrotum, I thought he at least had SOME class...
:puke:
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Conker Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:55 PM
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59. I'm sure part of the reason he donated was for the new arena.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:25 AM
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57. Dean Smith being a Democrat...
Must drive North Carolinians crazy!!!
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:19 AM
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12. I'm guessing Lebron James is
After what he did for Katrina victims - and we never would have even known about it, had somebody from Costco not called and told the media about it.
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Tummler Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:44 AM
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13. There are many in the NBA
Some of the more outspoken are Etan Thomas (Wizards) and Steve Nash (Suns).
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:05 PM
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15. Ohhhh yes.
I only know of my home team, but I can personally say there are a NUMBER of Philadelphia Eagles who are huge Democrats.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:53 PM
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20. Harold Baines
who played for the Orioles and White Sox is a big Dem. Len Elmore, the college Basketball announcer and former UMD great is as well. I met him at a Kathleen Kennedy Townsend event a couple of years back. Tom McMillan was a Dem Congressman and on that same MD team as Elmore. And of course, there was Bill Bradley.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:01 PM
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21. Bradley was here when he ran for president in 2000
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 04:03 PM by Bluzmann57
and I asked him a question. It was, "Who was better, Russell or Chamberlain?" I think it sort of shocked him, but he answered the question in true politcally correct fashion. He said, "Russell won more championships, but Chamberlain was an offensive force. It's impossible to say." I just chuckled, as did he. I think he got a kick out of it.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:33 PM
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25. he was my idol
growing up. A liberal Dem and hall of fame basketball player. I wanted to live his life.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 03:47 PM
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36. Piece of trivia about Tom McMillen
...I beleive he was the first high school athlete ever to make the cover of Sports Illustrated.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:18 PM
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27. I don't know how we've avoided mentioning Jim Brown
I believe he was and is very liberal. :)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:49 PM
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28. Dean Smith's a Democrat. Rude surprise for NC Reps that wanted him to run
for office.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:22 AM
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33. Would Bode Miller qualify as a liberal
....with his rather, um, laissez-faire attitude?
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:56 PM
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35. Kobe and Phil
I do not know if too many people will be happy with Kobe being a Democrat, but I read today that Kobe at some point said he was a Democrat. The article also mentioned Phil Jackson was a Democrat. I also read a Wikipedia article about Jackson that claimed that he was part of the counterculture during the 60s. It is believed that his being part of the counterculture made it hard for him to get a job coaching when he first tried.
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britpopper Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:31 AM
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43. As a huge Lakers fan...
Kobe is a confirmed Democrat and his old buddy Shaq is too, in fact, Shaq was way more vocal in Anti-Bush talk back at election time...
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:49 AM
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45. Didn't Know
I did not know about Shaq. I heard the comment he made comparing himself to Bush so I was not sure he was not a Republican. This was the comment where he said, in reference to his return to Staples Center, that "he was like Bush he had built Staples Center".
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:22 PM
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46. Shaq's a Dem!
Hooray!
I'm also happy to announce that although I'm pretty sure George Steinbrenner is a Republican he has given more money to Dems, and supports Sen. Ben Nelson's (Florida)re-election campain.
Did you see how much money David Stern has given to Dems? $700,000!
Also, I think Alonzo Mourning (Heat) and Andre Agassi are Dems.
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 06:34 PM
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39. Carlos Delgado has been protesting the war in Iraq for several years now
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:20 AM
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44. Steve Nash
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0325-09.htm

Nash Speaks Mind Against War in Iraq
by Vittorio Tafur

APPARENTLY A COUNTRY music concert is the wrong place for a war protest, the Academy Awards show is OK as long as you keep it short, and a basketball game ... well, that's still up in the air for debate.

When the lead singer of the Dixie Chicks told a London audience that she was ashamed that she and President Bush are from the same state, many Texas radio stations refused to play the group's songs. She quickly apologized. Former Santa Clara and current Dallas Mavericks star Steve Nash, though, has not apologized for his anti-war comments and said fan reaction to his stance has been "unbelievably positive."

It all started with Nash wearing a T-shirt to All-Star activities in Atlanta that said, "No War. Shoot for Peace." Nash continued his protest of the war, as reporters asked him about his shirt and his beliefs, up until and after the first U.S. bombs hit Iraq last week. Those who haven't been receptive to Nash are those that don't think a basketball player should be using his forum to speak out on politics, especially a Canadian basketball player.

"From the start, I spoke out just because I don't want to see the loss of life," Nash told ESPN. "People are mistaking anti-war as being unpatriotic. This has nothing to do with the fact that I'm from Canada. This is a much bigger issue. But now that we're in battle, I hope for as many lives to be spared as possible (and) as little violence as possible before a resolution."

Dallas played San Antonio last week and Spurs center David Robinson, a former Navy officer, didn't like what Nash had to say. He also took exception to Nash's teammate, Nick Van Exel, saying the war initiative gave Americans a bad name.

...more...
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:49 PM
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48. One thing about pro atletes
You have to realize that the average athlete isn't going to be a pro for a long period of time and they have to take advantage of the opportunity while they can. Therefore, I believe that's why more of them don't really get political. If one has a chance to be set for life while still a young person, why not go for it? I think that in reality there are more Liberal pro athletes than we realize. The owners, now that's a different story. The majority of them are conservative and since they pay the salaries...well as I ststed it is probably in the athlete's best financial interest to remain silent, at least until they are either established or done.
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 06:41 PM
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49. I have to disagree about the owners.
The owners that ARE political are more often Dems than Republicans.
EX: Bob Kraft, Wilf, etc.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 08:37 PM
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51. and as much as it pains me to say
Steinbrenner is a big Democratic contributor
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:20 AM
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56. Steinbrenner was also mixed up with illegal Nixon contributions. nt
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:23 PM
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61. Ok now I can go back to disliking him for his politics
lol
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safi0 Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:18 PM
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52. I read a little blurb
Talking about Baseball owners who gave to either Bush or Kerry. I think it said 8 gave to Bush while 2 gave to Kerry.
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