Eli Manning, yes ELI Manning, to sign record NFL deal...

[joeybee12]

After months of rumors that the Giants were poised to lock up quarterback Eli Manning for the long haul, it finally has happened.

According to Jay Glazer of FOX, Manning and the team are on the verge of agreeing to a six-year extension worth $97.5 million.

Glazer reports that the deal includes $35 million in guaranteed money.

Factoring in the $9.4 million in base salary that Manning already was due to earn in 2009, the annual average of the seven-year, $106.9 million arrangement is $15.2 million.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/05/giants-eli-strike-a-long-term-deal/

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I only have to say....:wtf:

[NJmaverick]

1. I think it's a fair deal

There are few QBs I would prefer over Eli and he is entering his prime years. He is a hard worker, good leader and a pretty good (if a bit inconsitant) QB who has already won a Super Bowl for the team.

[joeybee12]

2. VERY inconsistent...he put togtehr 4 good games in his career...

...I'd take about 30-40 QB's out there over him. They got that super bowl in spite of him, not because of him.

[Forkboy]

3. Totally disagree. He won that game by eluding what looked like an obvious sack.

It was huge play in Super Bowl history, and one of the constant highlights of that game. It was a great play. I don't know where you get this 4 good games stuff. His numbers are better than his brothers were through the same amount of years, and it's arguable that he's the better of the two when you consider the talent around each one.

[NJmaverick]

4. I wouldn't say that Joey

first off look how much better Eli did than the legandary Farve up on the frozen Green Bay tundra. Then there was the come from behind score at the end of the Super Bowl to win it all. Beyond that Eli has great leadership and intangibles. He is not dating super stars or going to Mexico before a play off game. He isn't riding a motorcycle with out a helmet or flipping off the crowd. He is the first to work and the last to leave. He has a quiet but effective leadership style. That ring was no accident and Eli certainly played an important role.

[joeybee12]

5. If nothing else, it gives them little money to draw anyone else...

...all their eggs in one basket...and a pretty flimsy one...oh well, there have been dumber things in sports, IMHO.

[NJmaverick]

6. Which QBs would you rather have over Eli?

discouting Peyton and Brady, who else would you prefer over Eli?

[joeybee12]

7. Actually, anyone except Favre and Vick...I'll take Drew Brees,

Big Ben, AZ's Fundie, Matt Leinart...need I say more?

[DaveinMD]

11. good for you

you just proved how little you know about football. Too bad he sucks so bad that he stopped the Patriots perfect season with a great pressure peformance. The Patriots must have really sucked to have let that happen.

[hughee99]

14. Say what you want, but by NO statistical analysis is Eli Manning a top 5 quarterback...

it's a STRETCH to say he's a top 10 QB. He's not bad, he's just not good enough to warrant this kind of money. To say that he's a top 5 quarterback (and suggest that anyone who doesn't agree doesn't know football) is living in Giants fantasy land.

Eli Manning strung together a run where he was a good as any QB in football. That run was 2 years ago and lasted about 5 games.

Manning could very easily be this generation's Joe Namath (though the jury's still out), a mediocre QB who had a couple of big wins, but is inexplicable regarded as a great QB because of 1 big SB win.

[DaveinMD]

15. he is a top 5 QB

because he is consistently it his best with the game on the line. Comeback after comeback. He's not a fantasy football QB. But real football isn't fantasy football. He plays in the worst stadium for passing in the league against NFC East defenses.

If you don't think this doesn't matter you are wrong. Look at the stats that Drew Brees puts up indoors versus outdoors. The splits are striking.

As far as where he ranks, Brady and Peyton are the only guys who clearly better. Eli is anywhere from 3-8. There are very few guys I'd rather have with the game on the line.

So the stats mean little to me. As Ernie Accorsi has said, Milt Plum had a higher passer rating than Johnny Unitas.

[hughee99]

16. I saw last seasons playoff game against the Eagles...

I struggle to see where he's "consistently" at his best with the game on the line. He has his good games and bad, he did have a really good run in 2007, though. Joe Montana he is not.

[DaveinMD]

18. he had a rough game

everyone does at times. He's not Joe Montana. Really. He's not the greatest QB of all time. He's still a top 5 QB in the league right now and among the most clutch QBs in the game. I'll take him for the Giants over anyone not named Brady and Peyton. Anyone.

[hughee99]

25. He was clutch down the stretch last year...

Week 14 loss to Eagles
E. Manning 13/27 123 1 0

Week 15 loss to Cowboys
E. Manning 18/35 191 0 2

Week 16 win against Carolina
E. Manning 17/27 181 1 0

Not bad, not "at his best". The Giants do well when they don't have to rely on him to win the game.

How about Big Ben he has more playoff success than Manning, and more success in big games than Manning, but then so does Kurt Warner...

[DaveinMD]

28. he was certainly good in the Carolina game

led the Giants on a game tying drive including the tying 2 point play.

Did you watch those other games. Half the Giants OL was hurt and Eli had no time to throw the entire game. He didn't play well in the Eagles game. You can cherry pick any games you want. I'll take Eli over anyone not named Brady or Peyton.

Does Roethlesberger suck because he crapped the bed late against the Giants. No. He's a very good QB. So is Eli.

[DaveinMD]

22. List Eli's comebacks

2004 SEASON

Jan. 2 (2005) - Giants 28, Dallas 24. Giants trail 24-21 with 11 seconds remaining when Manning, then a rookie, famously audibles out of a doomed pass play into a Tiki Barber run. Barber goes three yards up the middle for a touchdown and Manning’s first win.

2005 SEASON

Oct. 16 - Cowboys 16, Giants 13. Manning leads the Giants down the field for a game-tying touchdown with 19 seconds left in regulation (one drive after Brandon Jacobs fumbled at the Dallas 1). Cowboys go on to win in OT on a 45-yard field goal by Jose Cortez

Oct. 23 - Giants 24, Broncos 23. Maybe his most famous regular-season comeback. Down 13 with 13 minutes left, Manning rallies the Giants and eventually hits Amani Toomer with a game-winning touchdown with 5 seconds to go.

Nov. 13 – Vikings 24, Giants 21. Manning overcomes ugly, four-interception day by leading a touchdown drive (and two-point conversion) to tie the game with 1:21 remaining. But defense falls apart and Vikings deservedly win on a 48-yard field goal with 10 seconds left.

Nov. 27 – Seattle 24, Giants 21. This should’ve been a win. Down 21-13 with 4:33 remaining, Manning leads Giants to a tie on a touchdown pass (and two-point conversion) with 1:59 left). He also sets up three ensuing Jay Feely field goal tries (40 at the end of regulation, and 54 and 45 in OT) but Feely misses them all.

2006 SEASON

Sept. 17 – Giants 30, Eagles 24. Trailng 24-7 entering the fourth quarter, Manning engineers his biggest rally in his best game (31 for 45, 371 yards, three TDs), tying the game with a field goal drive in the final seconds. He won it on a a 31-yard pass to Plaxico Burress late in OT with two Eagles defenders about to hit him on a blitz.

Nov. 5 – Giants 14, Texans 10. Not very dramatic, but the Giants did trail 10-7 entering the fourth quarter. The game-winner was a TD pass to Jeremy Shockey with 7:49 to go.

Dec. 3 – Cowboys 23, Giants 20. The Giants are down by a touchdown in the final minutes, but Manning rallies and hits Burress with a 5-yard TD pass with 1:06 remaining. Unfortunately, Cowboys K Martin Gramatica wins it with one second to spare.

Jan. 7 (2007) – Eagles 23, Giants 20. Trailing 20-13, the Giants overcame a 2nd-and-30 and Manning ended up tying the game with an 11-yard TD pass to Burress with 5:04 left. Of course, the defense couldn’t hold and K David Akers eliminated the Giants from the playoffs as time expired.

2007 SEASON

Sept. 23 – Giants 24, Redskins 17. The Giants trail 17-10 as the fourth quarter begins, but score twice in the final 12:33, including a 33-yard TD to Burress with 5:32 remaining. Of course, the defense saves everyone with a last-second goal-line stand.

Oct. 7 – Giants 35, Jets 24. Giants trail by a field goal entering the fourth, but take the lead on a 47-yard catch-and-run by Burress. They put the Jets away for good on Aaron Ross’ interception return for a touchdown with 3:15 to play.

Dec. 2 – Giants 21, Bears 16. With their season slipping away, the Giants trail 16-7 before scoring twice in the final 6:54. The game-winning 2-yard run by Reuben Droughns (set up by a brilliant pass to Burress) comes with 1:33 remaining.

Dec. 23 – Giants 38, Bills 21. Technically this goes in Manning’s column, though he had little to do with it on a day he fumbled five times. The Giants did trail 21-17 in the fourth, though, before two interception returns for touchdowns and an 88-yard TD run by Ahmad Bradshaw made it a blowout.

Jan. 13 (2008) – Giants 21, Cowboys 17. It was a fourth-quarter comeback, but only barely. The Giants trailed 17-14 before a Brandon Jacobs’ on-yard touchdown run, 2:24 into the fourth quarter put them up for good. Manning’s best moment was a touchdown drive in the final seconds of the first half. And don’t forget R.W. McQuarters’ game-ending INT to seal the deal.

Feb. 3 (2008) – Giants 17, Patriots 14. Down 14-10 with 2:39 to go against the undefeated New England Patriots, Manning calmly jogged out onto the … oh, you know the rest.

2008 SEASON

Sept. 21 – Giants 26, Bengals 23. Down 20-16 with 4:39 left, Manning leads them to a go-ahead TD to Kevin Boss with 1:50 left. The Bengals rally to kick a FG at the end of regulation, but Manning connects on a couple of big passes to set up the game-winning field goal in OT.

[hughee99]

26. I'm sure Drew Bledsoe's list is similarly impressive.

You listed 16 games, 5 of which the Giants didn't EVEN WIN, several where it's not clear what role Manning actually had in the comeback, and in the Giants/Bills game the Giants won despite Manning's best efforts.

Frankly, I don't have anything against the Giants, I just don't think Manning's worth the money. He's not bad, he's just not this good. If this were baseball, where there's no salary cap, then it's just money out of the owner's pockets and overpay the guy all you want. In football, when you overpay for someone at one position, you end up not having enough to spend at others. This contract will hurt the Giants organization.

[DaveinMD]

27. actually

in this time period Eli is in the top 3 in clutch performances. I forgot where I saw it, but I know I read that recently.

The fact that the games were lost doesn't take away from what Eli did. It just means the Giants defense squandered what he did.

By the way, the contract is friendly to the Giants. There is less guaranteed money than what Stafford got. And because its only 6 years. That leaves lots of room for the Giants to extend him and convert salary to bonus, creating cap room. The Giants are well set up for the future. No offense, I'll take the judgment of Jerry Reese (one of the best GMs in the game) over some guy on the internet.

[hughee99]

29. Stafford's contract was absolutely ridiculous

and the fact that you "saw somewhere" that Eli is top 3 in clutch performances doesn't really inspire confidence in me that it's actually true. Feel free to think what you want, but every GM makes mistakes, and this will be one of Reese's. It won't be a catastrophic mistake, but spending this money on Manning will cost them some free agents down the line. When you're talking "cap friendly" it's still cap friendly within the context of committing this much guaranteed money to a single player (about $35 million, I think).

Also, how is it that you credit Eli with the comebacks (even when they lost) but provide no blame for digging them into that hole in the first place?

[DaveinMD]

30. because the extension

is only 6 years it will give them the flexibility to extend in the future to create additional cap room.

I give him credit because it shows an ability to perform when the pressure is at its highest. Its what makes champions. He's not perfect. There are two elite QBs in the league right now and I don't put him in that class. But he's a guy who has gotten a lot better since the end of the 07 regular season and who is perfect for this Giants team.

[ProfessorGAC]

53. Top 3? You Saw it Somewhere?

Well, that's good enough for me! :sarcasm:

He's is not in the top 3 as clutch QB's. Anybody watching the games knows that.

There is NO statistical basis for that conclusion.
GAC

[DaveinMD]

56. 13 comeback wins

says he's quite clutch. Romo has 5 over the same period for comparison.

[DaveinMD]

57. here is something

Just last year, Eli's rating in the 4th quarter plus or minus 7 points, his rating was 132.6. Quite clutch.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/6/28/928145/romo-vs-the-clutch

[DaveinMD]

58. and by the way

I QB rating is nonsense. But I've seen Eli turn it on late in close games more often than not since he came into the league.

[DaveinMD]

8. and once again you show massive ignorance

Eli is only QB in Super Bowl history to throw 2 TD passes in the 4th quarter that gave his team the lead. He's the only QB to throw a game winning Super Bowl TD when his team need a TD to win or tie. In the last year, 31 TD, 14 INT and a QB rating around 90 during that span, doing it against some absurd defenses. Eli is an elite QB.

[joeybee12]

9. 87 percent against the deal, 13% says he's worth in the MSNBC poll...

...yeah, well I've got company.

[DaveinMD]

10. I don't care

Most people are against other people making huge money. I'm glad he's the QB of my team. I know you are still bitter he stopped the perfect season. I'll enjoy that forever and he'll win more Super Bowls. He's a top 5 QB. I'll enjoy watching him for the next decade.

[joeybee12]

12. I'm not bitter, but apparently you are....

...ancient history, 4 good games, he almost kept them from making the play-offs that year...a whiny little brat.

[DaveinMD]

13. I already posted the stats over the last year

you don't face facts very well. You seem quite bitter. You always have been bitter when it comes to any QB named Manning. Eli is anything but whiny. Can't say the same for you.

[NJmaverick]

17. Let's be fair

if you want to fault his performance in windy conditions, I would say that is fair. If you want to knock his accuracy or more precisely his consistency I would have to concede you are making a reasonable point. However when you refer to him as a "whiny little brat" you are totally off the wall and apparently clueless as to Eli the man or player.

[DaveinMD]

19. JoeyBee

is clearly projecting with that description.

[madinmaryland]

20. I agree with you on that NJM.

The entire Manning family has always been a class act. Regardless of their politics, they all have been team players. Given that Eli is playing in NYC, he has not once been tainted with a scandal, or even a trip to bermuda on their bye week.

[joeybee12]

31. Aw, poor little Eli he got booed in the draft and big brother had to

come to his rescue...all Mannings are punks.

[DaveinMD]

46. you are quite bitter

the Mannings have class that you will never have. Too bad they have two Super Bowls since the Patriots last had one. That drought seems to make you very angry.

[joeybee12]

47. Daddy, Daddy, don't let them make me play for San Diego, I don't wanna!

That's ok, I'll fight your dirty little battels for me.

Oh, and two since the Patriots last had one? Oh, the Mannings you mean, not your worthless Giants.

[DaveinMD]

48. so worthless

they beat your team in the Super Bowl. Call them worthless all you want. I'll just watch the Giants beat the Patriots again. Poor poor Joey. Wah wah wah.

[DaveinMD]

50. just for kicks

[DaveinMD]

51. and one more

[inthebrain]

23. You're talking about Eli?

Hey, I don't really care about Football all that much but Eli is a little to shy and reserved to ever be described as Whiney or a brat. He's a bit of an offbeat and a little weird.

That's about it.

He's taken his punched from the NY Media and never really seems to complain.

Sorry, I just read sour grapes into all of this.

[hughee99]

21. Your stats are as inflated as his new salary?

Last year, according to NFL.com
Eli Manning 2008
Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
289 479 60.3 29.9 3,238 6.8 202.4 21 10 169 35.3 48 32 4 27 86.4

That's 21 TD's and 10 INT's unless you want to count the playoff game where he had 0 TD's and 2 ints.

Are you counting preseason the 2008 preseason?

[DaveinMD]

24. those stats

were since week 17 of the previous year and they include the playoffs of both years.

[trumad]

32. Arguing with bitter Patriot fans...

They will be forever haunted by their un-undefeated season.

[Forkboy]

33. I'm not. That was an awesome season.

Any other team in the NFL would give both nuts to have a season like that. The real bitterness comes from the people who root for teams the Pats slapped around like red headed step children, not the Pats fans who got to watch their team rattle off 18 consecutive victories.

[trumad]

34. Come on--- be honest--- coming in 2nd place that season

will stick in Pat fans claws for the rest of their lives.

[Forkboy]

35. I am being honest.

I'm sure there's some fans bitter over it, but I haven't seen them. Everyone I know, or have even spoken to in passing, agrees that the Giants deserved the win and that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Now you be honest. You'd love it if the Dolphins had a season like that this year, wouldn't you?

[trumad]

36. Well actually----

They almost did when they played the Vikings in week 3--- but---- they managed a last minute TD to preserve their unbeaten season.

[Forkboy]

37. You're sounding like cboy, going back decades to find something to brag about.

And you didn't really answer the question: You'd love it if the Dolphins had a season like that this year, wouldn't you?

[trumad]

38. Of course---coming in 2nd in the NFL is not bad

Now--- let me ask you--- You'd love it if your team went undefeated like the Phins.... correct.

[Forkboy]

39. Definitely.

[trumad]

40. See--- that's what I like about you---you're honest...

But don't fucking call me Cboy or it's on...;-)

[Forkboy]

41. LOL...fair enough.

:toast:

[joeybee12]

42. Cboy2 likes you?

I would...:hide:

[trumad]

44. Come on Joey--

You have all the traits of Cboy---

Defending the new Red Sox scandal the way you have been is straight out of the Cboy playbook.

[joeybee12]

45. Typical cboy3 repsonse...

...I'm not defending it...I want all the nsmes released and what they tested positive for...the way the names are being dribbled out smacks of a hit job, and gets people guessing and wondering...release all the names and information then let the chips fall.

[Baclava]

43. Eli's a top 10 QB (barely), getting paid like a top 3.

But I find it funny Carson Palmer is still the hightest paid QB in the league - at least Eli has won some playoff games and a Ring.

[DaveinMD]

49. He's surely in the discussion for top 5

1. Brady
2.Peyton

That much is clear cut
3-8

3. Rothlisberger
4. Eli
5. Brees
6. Rivers
7. McNabb
8. Palmer

9-13
Cutler
Romo
Hasselback
Warner
Rodgers

[smoochpooch]

54. Umm, Cutler, Warner, McNabb, Palmer, Rivers and probably Romo are all better than Eli.

I don't care what NY wants to pay him, they can spend their money how they want. But he's only as good as their defense. He's already lost Burress, Strahan, and Ward.

[DaveinMD]

55. that's nonsense

Cutler faded massively and his teammates don't respect him. Romo can't win a big game to save his life and is more interested in his social life and nice stats than he is in winning. Palmer hasn't been very good for three years. McNabb comes up small whenever he needs a big drive to win. When Eli needed a big drive to win a Super Bowl, he made it happen. McNabb proceeded to vomit in the huddle.

As for Rivers, he's another guy that puts up numbers. But he plays all his games in perfect weather, has the ultimate dumpoff option and plays against bad defenses most weeks. Eli is better than all those guys.

[joeybee12]

52. Giants make Eli Manning highest-paid quarterback in NFL, but he's not best

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/08/06/2009-08-06_giants_make_eli_manning_nfls_highestpaid_player_but_hes_far_from_best_quarterbac.html


Eli Manning is about to become the highest-paid player in NFL history, which seems a bit out of whack because he's no better than the NFL's fifth-best quarterback going into the 2009 season.

But he's being welcomed as the eighth all-time member of the $100 Million Quarterback Club by virtue of that incredible four-game playoff run a year and a half ago when he outplayed Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, Brett Favre and Tom Brady as the Giants became one of the most improbable Super Bowl champions ever.

Absolutely nothing Manning did before or has done since suggests he should be the highest-paid player - which his $15.27 million average salary will make him when the multiyear deal is officially signed - in the 90-year history of this league, but he's cashing in on his Super Bowl ring, the booming quarterback market and the reality, which is clear to the Giants, that he is their guy and they had no choice.

"He's a franchise quarterback," GM Jerry Reese said yesterday. "He's done everything we asked him to do."

In such a tight economy, did the Giants really have to give him the agreed upon six-year, $97.5million extension (with $35million guaranteed), that added on to the $9.4 million he was already getting this season in the final year of his rookie deal, making his grand total $106.9 million over the next seven years? That covers quite a few PSL sales, you know. His annual average is $1.25 million more than his brother's and 50% more than Brady's $10 million.

It really comes down to this: That's the going rate, and the Giants had no desire to create ill will and stick him with the franchise tag next year. Was A-Rod, with no rings, worth a 10-year, $275 million extension from the Yankees? At least Manning was at his best on that final Super Bowl drive against the Patriots, although the way he played against the Eagles in the playoffs last season makes you wonder how he did it against New England.