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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 02:23 PM Original message |
What does "random" mean? |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Depends on the context; could have very precise measurement. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. random means "stochastic variation...." |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 02:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Importantly, probabilistic algorithms often work faster than deterministic ones. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Well, computer scientists may say this, but in fact they then use .. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Most of the time. And most of the time, that is good enough. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Staying with your example of "probabilistic algorithms": |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 03:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Allegedly dishonest statements |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. UK 'Premium Bonds' have used a hardware random number generator for 49 years |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. That's an interesting example of the sort of thing people do, and .. |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. not necessarily, there are methods of producing truly random |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. What algorithm did you use and for what distribution? |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I just use the functions that comes with the GPP compiler (math.h etc) |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. after checking on my Linux box - I use the Fortuna implementation |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Saying that "Random events are by definition not predictable except in probabilistic |
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charles22 (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 03:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. No, you can give models for randomness. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. not at all, and it's easy to model, too.... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Much of the research on mutations appears to assume that .. |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. What if an investigator wants to study events that consist of actions |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
9. For IDers and creationists |
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wcepler (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-28-06 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
10. the pattern in randomness |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
14. Random_Australian reporting. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Well, I disagree with all your reasons |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Aha! Random_Australian returns! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 12:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Everyone wants to convince me that probability is useful. But ... |
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Random_Australian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 01:40 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Hmmm, ok. Let's talk some more. |
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wcepler (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Excellently put! |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
15. In simple terms |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
19. Where I was headed with this: A certain species of creationist will argue .. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Natural selection is not random. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Of course, saying "Natural selection is not random," simply re-raises |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I should have seen this earlier. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. Random is non-deterministic. |
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