He Says He Is Christ — And He Lives Here

[Freedom_from_Chains]

These people worry me and to think a significant number of them vote in this country worries me more.


He makes a remarkable claim: that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. Perhaps equally remarkable, the number of people who believe him. Now this man could be your neighbor and who says he’s Christ, has moved to Houston. When members of Creciendo en Gracia had a worldwide meeting in Miami this weekend it had a Latin beat. And when Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda entered the room with a security detail clearing his way, it could have been a rock star or a politician. His style is a bit of both. “I am the second coming of Christ, that messiah that they’ve been waiting for,” said Dr. Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda. But he claims to be something much more. A self-confessed heroin addict at 14, in jail at 21, Dr. Miranda said angels visited him, then Christ himself. “He came and he disappeared in me. He integrates in me. Since then I’ve been teaching mysteries in the Bible,” Dr. Miranda said. What is undeniably true is that people, he claims millions of them, believe him. He began in a non-descript Miami warehouse. He now spreads his message by way of DVDs and owns his own 24-hours-a-day satellite channel. He is Puerto Rican but has followers throughout Latin America and increasingly in the U.S. where he has learning centers in New York and now, alongside other non-denominational churches, he has one in Houston. “He is God,” said one follower. Followers hear there is no devil, no sin, that Jesus took it away. “We are so tired of the lies of so-called Christians today because if they call you a sinner, we feel hurt that someone would call you a sinner because if Jesus died for sins it’s very contradictory that someone call you a sinner. Now I’m misrespecting Jesus,” said Dr. Miranda. Most of all he seems to tell them they are worthy of being cared about. “Some people tell me, you know, that it looks like the devil. If that is true I want to be with the devil because he make me so happy,” said Claudia Salazar, Creciendio en Gracia follower One person termed Dr. Miranda’s message “seductive.” “You’re getting something that you get similar to what you get over at Joel Osteen’s place except Joel would not claim to be Jesus Christ,” said theology expert Lynn Mitchell. After watching the video, Mitchell made the interesting observation that it was joyous and the growth of Creciendo en Gracia is due at least in part to conventional Christian churches. “I think it represents a very heavy failure of Christian churches because Christian churches have not really conveyed their message for decades now. So people think of the Christian church as being a downer as always talking about people being sinners and so forth,” said Mitchell, U of H Resident Scholar Religious Studies. The danger, Mitchell warns, is that with such devout followers this could become a cult, especially since Dr. Miranda also envisions a world government, with him at its head. “They don’t understand it. They call it a cult. If I’m a cult, I’m the best one. I love to direct this beautiful cult,” said Dr. Miranda. And he will be directing Creciendo in Gracia from Houston. He says he was recognized everywhere in Miami. So he will now run his worldwide organization from a home in the suburbs.

http://www.prophecyheadlines.com/?p=368

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Cults can end up in a death pact. It's the act of ultimate control over

the followers.

[Flabbergasted]

2. Send him to King George for Judegement?

[Sad4world]

3. This is just

another nut case employed by the (Maf)CIA to create confusion of the American Sheeples.

[Wickerman]

4. He makes more sense than the usual Big Box Church

So, of course, he'll be silenced. I personally never expected Jesus to live in the Miami suburbs, but, what do ya know?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

5. Yeah, I was kind of thinking some place like Philadelphia.

Has more of a biblical ring to it you know.

[patrice]

6. Is he poor?

[Igel]

7. Is Christ to be poor the second time 'round?

Most eschatologies have him coming back as "King of kings". Yada-yada.

Seems appropriate to have this thread during the Feast of Tabernacles, somehow.

[patrice]

8. I don't know.

I thought all of us are supposed to live in such a way that we see Jesus in one another. Doesn't that make all of us Christ?

This is a little like being a witch to me; if you claim to be one, especially publicly, you're not.

[beam me up scottie]

9. "Two men say they're Jesus.

One of them must be wrong."

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. Couldn't one of the be the first coming and the other be the second

After all both could exist in the same time frame and actually be one because as we all know God is not confined by things like time and space. If the trinity makes sense to you then my explanation should make sense as well.

[beam me up scottie]

11. It's a lyric from a song.

Industrial Disease by Dire Straits
Written by Mark Knopfler


"Warning lights are flashing down at quality control
Somebody threw a spanner and they threw him in the hole
There's rumors in the loading bay and anger in the town
Somebody blew the whistle and the walls came down
There's a meeting in the boardroom they're trying to trace the smell
There's leaking in the washroom there's a sneak in personnel
Somewhere in the corridors someone was heard to sneeze
'Goodness me could this be industrial disease

The caretaker was crucified for sleeping at his post
There're refusing to be pacified, it's him they blame the most
The watchdog's got rabies, the foreman's got the fleas
And everyone's concerned about industrial disease
There's a panic on the switchboard tongues are tied in knots
Some come out in sympathy some come out in spots
Some blame the management some the employees
And everybody knows it's the industrial disease

The work force is disgusted downs tools and walks
Innocence is injured experience just talks
Everyone seeks damages and everyone agrees
That these are classic symptoms of a monetary squeeze
On ITV and BBC they talk about the curse
Philosophy is useless, theology is worse
History boils over there's an economics freeze
Sociologists invent words that mean industrial disease

Doctor Parkinson declared, "I'm not surprised to see you here
You've got smokers cough from smoking, brewer's droop from drinking beer
I don't know how you came to get the Bette Davis knees
But worst of all young man you've got industrial disease"
He wrote me a prescription, he said, "You are depressed
But I'm glad you came to see me to get this off your chest
Come back and see me later - Next patient please
Send in another victim of industrial disease"

I go down to Speakers Corner I'm thunderstruck
They got free speech tourists, police in trucks
Two men say there're Jesus, one of them must be wrong
There's a protest singer singing a protest song - he says
"They wanna have a war so they can keep us on our knees
They wanna have a war so they can keep their factories
They wanna have a war to stop us buying Japanese
They wanna have a war to stop industrial disease

They're pointing out the enemy to keep you deaf and blind
They wanna sap your energy, incarcerate your mind
They give you Rule Britannia, gassy beer, page three
Two weeks in España and Sunday striptease"
Meanwhile the first Jesus says "I'd cure it soon
Abolish Monday mornings and Friday afternoons"
The other one's out on hunger strike, he's dying by degrees
How come even Jesus gets industrial disease?"


Sorry, I don't usually like to hijack threads, but the lyrics of this song are even more profound today - over 20 years after it was written.