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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:02 PM
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Message I received from our minister: about Iraq
Dear Family,

While you're going throughout your activities this weekend, I would encourage you to lift up a prayer for what will take place in Iraq on Sunday. I would like to share part of an email I received from a chaplain named Lyle Shackelford. Maybe you received it too: "I will pray with my soldiers before they leave on their convoys and move outside our installation gates here at Tallil. My soldiers are at the nerve center of the logistic operation to deliver the voting machines and election ballots. They will be driving to and entering the arena of the enemy. This is not a game for them it is a historical mission that is extremely dangerous. No voting machines or ballots. No elections. Your prayer support and God's intervention are needed to give democracy a chance in this war torn country."

If this church wasn't so damn happy and proud that we were at war, I would not have a problem with this. It is just the motives and attitudes these people have shown over the last couple of years. They were throwing joy to the Lord when Saddam was caught and members traded the Iraq War deck of cards. So I have a hard time listening this message.
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Pegleg Thd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:05 PM
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1. He must be
another psycho baptist or methodist.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:06 PM
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2. I wonder how much time these people spent praying for Bill Clinton
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 08:08 PM by bluestateguy
And I mean real, honest prayers. Not "Oh, Dear Lord, we pray that President Clinton will admit that he is horrible human being and become an anti-abortion zealot".
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:11 PM
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3. The Intent Is So Wrong
If this was an impartial person really wanting prayers for our leaders, I would be okay. But there were no prayers for Bill Clinton, and there would have been no prayers for John Kerry either.

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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:14 PM
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4. Uhh...dumb question-
Why do you associate with them?
Sounds like a 'den of vipers' to me.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:31 PM
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8. Well, it is like this.
I do still believe in GOD and I still need to worship him on Sunday and my wife was a member of this affiliation when we got married and (enough ands yet) I attend church with her.
As I was telling my daughter this afternoon, because she express that she didn't want to go to a youth group meeting due to the attitude of some of the people there. I said, that we need to keep going and prove to these people that Liberals are Good Christan's. To prove them wrong and that they don't know what they are talking about.
It is sort of a mission to enlighten the misled.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:49 PM
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10. Good luck to you
:thumbsup:
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:26 PM
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5. Another example of why liberals look at their churches in disgust
...the lack of outrage at this war is truely in the same realm as that shown the Nazis....not a word spoken against, even tho its a sin against God.


..unless some Neo-Con can show me where the commandments were amended..
...like : "Thou shall not kill"..."unless you have pseudo-eveidence of a slam-dunk case of WMD but when found its not are can change the argument for mass-murder to pursuing Freedom"
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:26 PM
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6. If this minister REALLY believed in the power of Jesus he would
take his flock and all of the other believing Christians he can find and go to Iraq and get on their knees in Baghdad and pray such a powerful prayer for a successful election and an end to the war that it would HAVE to be answered.

They talk a good game about believing so much but I don't see a one of them with enough nerve to go to Iraq armed only with prayer.

If it is not answered, well, maybe the rapture will come for all of them.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:32 PM
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9. Miuch to the dismay of my neo-con Srn Baptist relatives,
I no longer believe in the rapture. Christians better prepare themselves to live with the consequences of what they are unleashing on the world. It ain't the Tribulation, they aren't gonna be "snatched away", but the future looks ugly and grim and they'd better be prepared to deal with it, 'cause they're breaking it and they're gonna own it!

Tired Old Cynic
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:29 PM
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7. Maybe next they can pray that democracy continues here.
I am so disgusted with these "neo-Christians" that I will not attend church any more. As someone said on DU awhile back (and I keep quoting), "You use religion to sanctify politics, you cheapen religion." Maybe this minister should have paid more attention to the elections in his own country. My opinion now? God is finished with America and all we can do is turn to him for his favor to us as individuals. Try as I may, I cannot get around Bush, his "followers" and the mockery they have made of Christ's gospel. I only hope God will deal with him/them soon and save the world from the evil that Bush and his minions do.

Tired Old Cynic
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:51 PM
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11. When he says this, it's not a very happy message
"Your prayer support and God's intervention are needed to give democracy a chance in this war torn country"

ie "Only a miracle can get democracy into Iraq. It's impossible for the US to do it". But I bet he wouldn't dare say that from his pulpit.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 08:52 PM
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12. The War Prayer
"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2231.ht...

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