What does Julius Caesar have to do with Jesus Christ?

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Here's another venture into the absurd or more aptly titled, my life in the repub suburbs.

Here's the bumper stickers I saw on a Honda Jeep-like vehicle:

Bumper sticker one: "Kill a biker, go to jail."
Bumper sticker two: Yellow troop ribbon.
Bumper sticker three: "In order to maintain the peace, prepare for war. Caesar."
Bumper sticker four: A large Jesus fish swallowing a Darwin fish.

What does that make him? A paranoid, militant Christian?

[xultar]

1. Geesh...You must live down the street from me.

:rofl:

[Shalomar]

37. Don't worry 'bout it

If I actually do live down the street from you; and you hadn't called the cops; I would have found some other way to get committed last month. My lawyer has advised me a class action lawsuit for the violations of constitutional rights of mental patients was my best option.

Now I can do it; my last committment was past the statute of limitations.

Best Regards, Donny

[Balbus]

2. Same initials?

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Good catch. That must be it.

[evlbstrd]

3. Render unto ...

... oh, never mind.

[TahitiNut]

4. A toga-wearing biker with road-rash of the brain going fishing?

:shrug: I'd rather try to read sheep's entrails.

[G_j]

5. Caesar

certainly worse than Saddam. I don't remember Jesus calling for regime change and waging war against him. :shrug:

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10. I'd probably be on some watch list if I bring up that little

thingie that happened to him the last time he went to the forum.

[G_j]

14. Et Tu ? n/t

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17. Oh, great. Now you got us on a watchlist.

[G_j]

20. LOL

it was bound to happen sometime..
:rofl:

[SPKrazy]

21. Ceasar Augustus!

"I don't remember Jesus calling for regime change and waging war against him."


Not Julius Ceasar

And I don't think that this bumper sticker has anything to do with Jesus,
In the context of the others, it looks like the driver's philosophy in bumper stickers!

The Ceasar quote is one arguing for attacking your enemies before they can attack you.

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28. Do you really believe that Jesus Christ believed in pre-emptive strike?

Is that really WJWD?

[librechik]

40. yes--this "Augustus" group also spawned the mafia

and thought the emperor was God.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

6. Sounds like a winner there

I guess the war quote is by Caesar, right? Which I guess is his political statement and the Jesus fish is his religious statement?

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11. You got it.

I was just thinking. Neither man nor son of God faired well in their political times.

[NanceGreggs]

7. Didn't they go to high school together?

[xchrom]

8. why does the driver hate caesar?

[castiron]

9. Beware the Bikers for Christ crowd

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13. They'll wrap themselves in anything in order to legitimize their

anti-social tendencies. Who's going to tell them that they ARE the establishment?

[DefenseLawyer]

12. In the town where I live

I drove past a gun store recently and on their big sign above the door it had the name of the store inside a huge red "Jesus Fish" symbol, because you know, when I think of high quality firearms at a reasonable price, I think of Jesus.

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16. Guns, Jesus and a Corporate State.

That sums up the Republican platform.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. In fact, Jesus was the allegorical counterweight to Barabbas' insurrection

The whole choice between Jesus and Barabbas is a choice between different ways to deal with occupation - namely, the occupation of Judea by the imperial Roman forces. Barabbas represents the strategy of militant resistance, in the tradition of Jewish military resistance to outside rule) - he had "killed a soldier during the insurrection." Jesus represents the strategy of passive acceptance - that's the whole discourse of "turn the other cheek" and "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's," etc. These are diametrically opposed versions of human strategies to material subjugation (it's no surprise that Jesus' version should win out when Rome was impossible to defeat militarily). The notion of a muscular, fighting Jesus is ridiculous on its face. The Jesus/ Barabbas choice - offered by the subjugator to the subjugated - is clearly allegorical and pedagogical: it is meant to teach subjugated peoples a way other than militant resistance when such resistance would be largely suicidal (a point underscored by the results of the Jewish insurrection, which were of course ongoing as the Gospels were being written and disseminated). Barabbas is the militant, the one who prepares for war. Jesus is the other option.

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18. I guess they're morphing. Now we have fighting Jesus thing happening,

Did you know that a few of the bell ringer, Salvation Army collectors are getting militant? When my daughter and I walked out of the store, she started belting a Jesus Christmas song, and belted loud enough to follow us into the parking lot, "WHEN CHRIST WAS BORN!"

I'm beginning to give them money now, following up with, "Happy Holidays!"

[HillDem]

19. In complete denial

A militant christian? He's in the majority, sadly.

[EstimatedProphet]

22. He's a badass wannabe

Probably struts around thinking he looks macho, puffs himself up, bulies people he disagrees with. Get in his face and he'll collapse.

[Daphne08]

23. The only relationship that I know ...

Augustus (who was the Roman Emperor at the time of the birth of Jesus) was the great-nephew of Julius Caesar.

Other than that, I know of no relationship between Jesus and Julius Caesar.

[Mabus]

24. Ripped off from Flavius Vegetius Renatus, not Caesar

"Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum."
"Let him who desires peace, prepare for war."

more usually quoted as
"Si vis pacem, para bellum"
"If you want peace, prepare for war"
Vegetius (Flavius Vegetius Renatus) AD:379-95. Roman Military Writer.

From a quotations forum at http://www.quotationspage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1169&sid=1786d22482e563f97fdd1b62c7d6b9d7

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29. Ha! So it was a misquote to boot.

[Mabus]

34. The quote, as given, was traceable to a Novak

Michael Novak that is.

December 30, 2003, 12:00 a.m.
A Spartan Athens
America today.

Many people have noted the influence of Greece on American architecture and early culture. Students at Harvard, Princeton, and other major universities during the Founding period of the U.S. (1770-1800) faced tough Greek exams, and made annual declamations in Greek. Aristotle's ethical and political writings were especially influential, along with Greek historians and dramatists. Several of our 50 states named one of its cities "Athens" — and a great many of our school sports teams call themselves "Spartans." (One of the best calls its athletes "the Trojans.") The United States is self-consciously a child of the ancient civilization of Greece and Rome.

During long periods, America looks too pacific to be a threat to the likes of Hitler and Mussolini. Too much like Athens gone soft. But at times such as the present — with wars in Afghanistan and Iraq — the Spartan dimension of our civilization becomes visible to all doubters. The biggest thing that most Europeans don't know about America is Spartan side. Our Founders chose the eagle as the symbol for the nation because the eagle is supreme in war, seeing unblinkingly and at great distances. Once fixed on its prey, the eagle is not easily deterred.

Our Founders well knew that democracy itself softens manners, tames — even coddles — the human spirit, and pulls great spirits down to a lower common level. No democracy will long survive, they knew, that does not toughen itself to face adversity, to raise up warriors, and to keep ready a warlike spirit. A democratic army should be small, under civilian control, they insisted, kept safely away from political power, but committed to keeping those who serve in it fearless and invincible.

In a word, in order to survive and to prosper, democracies need to infuse a Spartan spirit into their Athenian thinking. To maintain the peace, prepare for war. A democracy too soft will soon perish.

The rest of the article is at: http://www.nationalreview.com/novak/novak200312300000.asp

[Mabus]

25. Julius Caesar = Jesus Christ

'Jesus was Caesar': New book by Philosopher and Linguist Francesco Carotta Claims That the real identity of Jesus Christ has Been Discovered

SOESTERBERG, The Netherlands, February 8 /PRNewswire/ --

- Carotta: 'Everything of the Story of Jesus can be Found in the Biography of Caesar.'

The Italian-German linguist and philosopher Francesco Carotta proves in his book Jesus was Caesar that the story of Jesus Christ has its origin in Roman sources. In more than fifteen years of investigation Carotta has found the traces which lead to the Julian origin of Christianity. He concludes that the story of Jesus is based on the narrative of the life of Julius Caesar.

Carotta: ''The Gospel proves to be the history of the Roman Civil war, a 'mis-telling' of the life of Caesar-from the Rubicon to his assassination-mutated into the narrative of Jesus, from the Jordan to his crucifixion. Jesus is a true historical figure, he lived as Gaius Julius Caesar, and ressurected as Divus Julius.''

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- Both Caesar and Jesus start their rising careers in neighboring states in the north: Gallia and Galilee.

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- Both are accused of making themselves kings: King of the Romans and King of the Jews. Both are dressed in red royal robes and wear a crown on their heads: a laurel wreath and a crown of thorns.

[Cleita]

27. Uh, how does Cleopatra figure into this?

Did she morph into Mary Magdalene?

[Mabus]

33. You got it!

from the article - Both have good relationships with women and have a special relationship with one particular woman, Caesar with Cleopatra and Jesus with Magdalene.

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30. Things that make you go hmmmm....

[LibertyLover]

38. Neighboring states to the north?

WTF? Last I looked at a map, Galilee was southish and eastish of Rome, while Gallia (aka Gaul, aka France) was northish and westish. Not even on the same continents - but hey, they do share the same planet.

[Mabus]

42. I think he means north of Judea

for Christ and north of Rome for Caesar. :shrug:

[Cleita]

26. Nothing.

But Julius Caesar was a prolific writer. That quote probably came from one of his writings. "Divide and conquer" was another one of his quotations.

To answer your question, it makes him another freeper idiot.

On edit: Mabus answered where it came from in her post.

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31. I'm learning all kinds of things I never considered before.

I'm not sure it's all productive, but maybe someday I'll use it in a Trivia Pursuit game.

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32. self-deleted for duplication,

[Shalomar]

35. What would you Have done?

Pontius Pilate was faced with his worst nightmare. He was faced with a man so unique that he actually thought twice about his head or mine. A riot was starting, how do you know Roman Soldiers did not die that night? As a representative of the Roman Empire He washed his hands and gave the crowd what they wanted.

Merry Christmas

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36. But who really turned the crowd against Jesus?

I mean, please. Jesus was a miracle-worker. Do you think the regular people would have opposed him? I say he got bad press from the merchants at the temple and the public just drank the kool-aid.

[librechik]

39. bitter, deluded logic-impaired driver who will generate flying debris

keep back at least 100 feet.

[Jed Dilligan]

41. Unto Caesar...

there's a "hog" in your neighborhood that needs rendering.