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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:27 PM Original message |
Is agnosticism more than just self-doubt? |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think "Believer" |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That's what I meant. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. i've never seeen that definition of agnosticism |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Broadly speaking, |
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EmmaP (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Since when? |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. It's my assertion. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. That is also the definition |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. God created the universe. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Define god. |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Just did. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. No, you didn't. |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Like I said, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:58 PM Original message |
Please have the courtesy and respect |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
62. I wasn't trying to peg anybody. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Is that a fact? |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I am not an atheist. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Right. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. grab a dictionary |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Grab a dictionary? |
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dretceterini (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I believe a LOT of antheists and agnostics |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. My point is that agnosticism is not a coherent position. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. that's the most bizarre argument i've ever heard |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. yea! flying spaghetti monster!!!!!!! |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
111. Bizarre Barely Begins To Describe It. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. No. You've got it all wrong. We ( agnostics... or should I say,,,, |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I believe debating theology and philosophy are good. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Then you can start by answering my question: are you OK.... |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. That has nothing to do with this thread. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. You commented that "debating religion and philosophy" was good. |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. That is all fine. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. try actually saying something and will find out |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. ad hominem. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
67. For me, agnosticism is self-doubt. |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
112. Thank you - as an agnostic, that would be my response |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 10:48 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. There was something in the tone of the original poster.... |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 12:00 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Yes - I am a New Yorker. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
59. you are wrong. look at atomic theory. |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. That is not my postition at all. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. really, what a shock. |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Ok. We ended then. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. I believe in pink unicorns. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. I just say I don't have a clue about god, so I'm an agnostic |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
6. i think there are at least 2 kinds of agnostics |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Right. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. read and learn |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I won't debate a link. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. fine, debate bertram russell |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. There are sufficient grounds |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. that is my position and i am not dead could |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. you posted a link. you posted a quote from Russell. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I am an agnostic |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Why even believe in God in the first place? |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. u miss the point copletely |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. OK, let's try this. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. i never asserted god exists. others did for me. i did not |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I never asserted God exists. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. no, but you told me i did by being angnostic or have you forgotten |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
86. Depends on where you think it exists. |
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liberal43110 (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 10:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
119. Logically false |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. EXCELLENT definitions. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. agnostics don't doubt gravity in the same way |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Don't see the difference. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. try droping a rock over your foot |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Sorry, that does not prove "gravity." |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. What??????? |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Gravity is a scientific concept. |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #46 |
117. Are you saying that God is a scientific concept? |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
12. Agnosticism is what religions claim for themselves but do not produce. |
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dretceterini (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. So what should someone who believes in "something" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Spiritual? |
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dretceterini (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. Spiritual doesn't work |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Not necessarily. |
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dretceterini (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
110. Spiritual is usually related |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. I don't know but.... |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. totally disagree. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
99. I have no idea what you are trying to say. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
88. That shall not pass unoticed. Good one! Source? n/t |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
39. Agnostic is what we all are |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Don't agree. |
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dretceterini (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Knowledge can be had, but probably |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Well this gets to the core of the issue. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. How? |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Maybe read more. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:35 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Read what? |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Like I said, |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. the demand for evidence is an attack??? |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 12:52 PM Response to Reply #87 |
115. It's like beating your head against a wall isn't it? |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
102. Get your definitions correct. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. "To define God in such a way as to deny the possiblitity of knowledge" |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. No, and thanks for promting me to define it more. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. ???????????????????????? |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. You want to discuss Hinduism, go ahead. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. And yet you insist that atheists actively disbelieve in it. |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. I am willing to delete all my comments about atheism. |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. hahahahahahahahahahahah |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
106. Welcome to DU! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
94. No? |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 12:56 PM Response to Reply #70 |
116. You are assuming that those who wrote the texts had absolute |
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dretceterini (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. God is usually defined in a theistic manner |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. He's being obtuse. |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:42 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. If you want a flame war, not going to happen. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Bwahahahaha ! |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. He or She thinks your just so damn cute. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:51 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. That was my intent, |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
90. Knowledge can be had? |
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silverstateD (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. nice try but this guy will never let logic get in the way |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Why let rational thinking get in the way of a wonderful |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. It's like discussing |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. I am at a loss with this fellow.... |
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liberal43110 (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #95 |
120. I'm gonna have to write that one down |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Not science, really. |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Then what? |
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jackthesprat (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I don't believe a turtle supports the universe on his back. |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Well, then I am speechless on that one. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Nothing wrong with having an opinion. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
107. there is nothing "incoherent" about agnosticism |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 04:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
105. We can increase our certainty |
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FM Arouet666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
74. What a hoot.... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
108. Belief does not require faith |
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dretceterini (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Each act is independent |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-05 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
118. I smell an elderly rodent |
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121. Locking. |
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