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Nick Hermann Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:03 PM
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The Trouble with Irshad Manji
Among critics of Islam, there few voices more prominent than the revisionist Irshad Manji. Calling herself a “refuseniks,” Manji has been praised in the media, along other radical feminists such as Wafa Sultan and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, for their virulent denunciations of Islam and Muhammad. Western pundits praise Manji for her “bravery,” and portray her as a courageous woman who is fighting fighting oppression and marching bravely forth toward the so-called democratic-atheistic values of the West. Contributing her appeal is Manji’s persona herself: she is an ethnic minority in Canada and a radical lesbian feminist who voices solidarity with great liberal values of the secular and multicultural state.

Continued at: http://www.ridingthetiger.org/2011/07/14/trouble-with-i...
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  - How many right wing  edhopper   Aug-27-11 03:08 PM   #1 
  - Is there a point you want to make here? Adding a comment will spur conversation.  cleanhippie   Aug-27-11 03:39 PM   #2 
  - I suppose that  Nick Hermann   Aug-27-11 03:43 PM   #3 
     - Saying things like what?  cleanhippie   Aug-27-11 03:50 PM   #4 
     - The writer  edhopper   Aug-27-11 04:03 PM   #5 
        - What exactly  Nick Hermann   Aug-27-11 04:14 PM   #6 
           - From the article  edhopper   Aug-27-11 05:12 PM   #9 
              - Is that necessarily untrue?  Nick Hermann   Aug-27-11 05:16 PM   #10 
                 - Until you comment on these vile articles you have posted  edhopper   Aug-27-11 05:21 PM   #11 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-27-11 05:22 PM   #12 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-27-11 05:23 PM   #13 
                 - I don't say things like this very often..  LeftishBrit   Aug-27-11 05:31 PM   #14 
  - Vile article from a vile site  LeftishBrit   Aug-27-11 04:51 PM   #7 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-27-11 04:59 PM   #8 
  - Locking  cbayer   Aug-27-11 05:43 PM   #15 
 
edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:08 PM
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1. How many right wing
talking points can you squeeze in single article.
You are either showing us some anti-woman right wing propaganda or you are trolling, A comment to tell us which would be nice.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:39 PM
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2. Is there a point you want to make here? Adding a comment will spur conversation.
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Nick Hermann Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:43 PM
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3. I suppose that
one thing you could get out of this is that just because she's a lesbian and comes off as being a liberal, doesn't necessarily mean that what she's saying is right. I happened to hear her speak at my college, and she was given a lot of credit because of her views, while being able to get away with saying things that others would have been criticized for.

Either way, she's become part and parcel of the Islamophobia campaign which is aimed at demonizing all Muslims (except of course the ones who will spill the carefully-selected beans).
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 03:50 PM
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4. Saying things like what?
"I happened to hear her speak at my college, and she was given a lot of credit because of her views, while being able to get away with saying things that others would have been criticized."
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 04:03 PM
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5. The writer
is an obvious right wing fascist, anti-Semite.
On DU were prefer to read more moderate and less bigoted articles.
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Nick Hermann Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 04:14 PM
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6. What exactly
Edited on Sat Aug-27-11 04:14 PM by Nick Hermann
is "fascist" or "anti-semitic" about the article?

Don't throw around terms just because you disagree. It makes things meaningless.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:12 PM
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9. From the article
"On the Left, she is admired as a lesbian atheist, and on the Right, by Zionists and others who find it useful to promote Islamophobia to further the cause of Jewish supremacism"

Anti-semitic enough for you?
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Nick Hermann Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:16 PM
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10. Is that necessarily untrue?
And don't many right-wing Zionists promote Islamophobia?

Don't many right-wing Zionists promote Jewish supremacy?
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:21 PM
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11. Until you comment on these vile articles you have posted
I don't think you deserve any replies.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:31 PM
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14. I don't say things like this very often..
but why don't you just piss off and take your horrible site with you?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 04:51 PM
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7. Vile article from a vile site
Edited on Sat Aug-27-11 04:53 PM by LeftishBrit
I hope you are quoting it to show its nastiness, and not because you agree with it.

The site owner says in a general description of the site: 'Perhaps you are dissatisfied by the promises and comments made by a number of influential world leaders, or perhaps you are someone who has been frustrated by the symptoms of modernity itself: symptoms such as liberalism, democracy, materialism, secularism, feminism, and atheism.'

Other comments:

With the rise of the holy individual came the dogma to protect it even from the slightest criticism. Thus, it was only a short amount of time before feminism became a major force. In the 1960’s, the protection of the individual became extended to homosexuals as well as blacks, and many other groups. Affirmative action was also created to enforce equality. In the last few decades, we have seen “hate crime” laws being passed, and even those who are fortunate enough to escape legal trouble are still at high risk for state-sponsored social outcast. After all, who are they to ignore the propaganda encouragement posters found in public buildings and public schools? throughout the West?

This dogma makes society into a two-dimensional narrative of victims and perpetrators. Ironically, it has inverted the spectrum of society, making those who would otherwise fall to the bottom as pariahs become immune to criticism. To make matters worse, we have a situation where the globalist governments and businesses gain support from these “victims”, and uses this system to their great advantage. After all, it is much easier for these people to manipulate nations that choose cosmopolitan equality, diversity and individualism over native Tradition and Culture.

This disease must be denied at its source. If we don’t reject this parasitic ideology, we are much farther from Culture and Tradition than we can ever imagine.'
Individualism run amuck

'Then a second collapse ocurred as the aristocracies began to fall into decay and the monarchies to shake at the foundations; through revolutions and constitutions they became useless institutions subject to the “will of the nation,” and sometimes they were even ousted by different regimes. And what was the result on the relationship between men and women? In such a society, feminism caused women to lose their personality. Indeed, rather than exalting the true femininity, it forced women to adopt an imitation of the male personality, while ironically, it became opposed to masculinity.

Yet it was not here that modern feminism stopped, for where Traditional ideas had at least allowed man and woman to be equal, while fulfilling different roles in society, modern, radical feminism posits the superiority of women to men, and in so doing, transgresses all the boundaries of nature. As Kenneth Minogue notes, “Radical feminism is essentially a humorless rationalism which seeks a single right attitude to be imposed on men and women alike.”'

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'It is only natural that the ideology they promote is so close to Jewish heart. Its adepts retain classic Jewish attitudes; and the “uniqueness of Israel” is a tenet of this “non-religious” school, whether in the form of the “unique” Holocaust, or a “unique” attachment to Palestine, or a “unique” love of freedom and diversity. Indeed, while mosques burn in the Netherlands and churches are ruined in Israel, no emotions are stirred up in comparison to those set in motion when graffiti is written on a synagogue wall. The US grades its allies by their attitude towards Jews. The Holocaust Temple <“Museum”> stands next to the White House.

Destruction of the family at the hands of radical homosexualsCertainly, if modern society is representative of “secularized Judaism,” then it is a rejection of Christianity. And perhaps, this is why the media, in an effort to disguise the fact, claims a so-called “Judeo-Christian” origin for today’s society. Where Western European society had historically been based on Roman Catholicism, the Emancipation of the Jews required a paradigm shift into which the Talmudic ideology was slowly but surely normalized. Whereas before Judaism was a rabbinical the rejection of Christian doctrine, formed after Christ, Judaism — including the Talmud and its brazen hostility towards gentiles — was now incorporated into the ordinary faith of Europeans. Thus, as long as Europe was Christian, they were able to maintain a semblance of a traditional society. But with the rise of the Reformation, the Enlightenment, the French Revoltion, and subsequent historical events, this society was consumed entirely.

We need only look at the progression of events to realize the damage that the secular theocracy has caused: the denial of majority group rights and fragmentation of societies, the attacks on the cultural foundations of the peoples around the world, the promotion of homosexuality and feminism at the expense of families, and the fading of care and compassion. Secular theocracy, along with liberalism and democracy have ultimately failed to produce the utopia that its propagandists claimed that it would create. Those with insight can already hear the sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the liberal democratic systems. Such people are sure to be the vanguard in the fight against the tyranny of fundamental secularism.'


Just wow. Every right-wing idea rolled into one.
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