This is an authentic photo of Jesus walking on water (srsly)

[moobu2]

Not a lot of people know that originally Jesus was simply the sun (the son) and all the bible stories were complex allegories based upon the movements of the sun (the son) as it traveled through the 12 signs of the zodiac, (john the baptist = aquarius and the virgin mary = virgo..etc...) and only later, years after the age of Pisces (the fishes) came to be, did Jesus and the rest of the stories come to be thought of as real historical events. The story of Jesus walking on water was simply an elaborate allegory based on the sunrises reflection on the water.

If you want to learn more about this, check out this website for more info



Edited to add a link.

[Buzz Clik]

1. If it is on the Internet, it must be true!

[moobu2]

4. And some dude walking on water is so much more plausible right?

[Buzz Clik]

5. And what is your point in all of this?

Do you think you are make some meaningful contribution? Are you going to convince some Christian that Jesus is a fake?

[moobu2]

6. And what's your point in asking me what my point is?

you cant possibly think you are adding anything meaningful yourself with this off topic crap. I would think people might be interested in knowing where the basis of the Christian religion came from but it doesn't bother me if no one does.....I DO! I'm still going to continue to post the info and people can look at it or not....whatever.

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[cleanhippie]

25. Winner! [phone]

[dimbear]

15. It's part of internet speak. Any post which contains the word 'seriously' is jocular. n/t

[tularetom]

2. Well, it sure isn't anymore far fetched than the sunday school version

I'll give it that.

[edhopper]

3. I saw it

Star Trek, Original Series "Bread and Circuses". Kinda silly then too.

[struggle4progress]

8. There's never been a shortage of crackpots

[moobu2]

10. Well, I’d rather be a crackpot any day than a

mindless apologist for a useless, has been ideology designed to brainwash its followers. But whatever works for you.

[struggle4progress]

11. If you have a scholarly argument that the early Christian stories derive from astrology,

I'll be happy to consider it, but the website you link consists of assertions without evidence

The evidence seems, to me, against such a view

[moobu2]

13. Cant you read and use your own logic?

Why do you need some scholar to tell you what to think? I'd suggest using your own judgment because for instance it doesn't matter how many Christian "scholars" website, anyone links to, claims some woman was impregnated by a ghost god and gave birth to himself in order to save humanity from the curse he himself inflicted upon them, because the couple he created out of dust and bone, ate some fruit they weren't supposed to eat, then the baby Jesus grows up, gets himself hung on a cross and dies so you can live forever up in the clouds with Jerry Falwell. It isn't going to matter how many websites you come up with if the information isn't true. The information on the website I link to IS TRUE. whether you accept it or not is another thing altogether. Post all you want to I'm finished with you.

[struggle4progress]

16. Indeed I can follow my own logic. I am perfectly willing to admit that there is not

any scientific evidence for the gospel stories, nor do I expect there could ever be such evidence. I do not expect the story to be demonstrable by archaeological methods or by scientific scholarship, nor have I ever claimed such methods could justify my religious stance

I think Paul was perfectly correct to call the entire Christian system of belief a "scandal" -- because it is a scandal, in almost every way, to think that the One True King became a mortal and lived among the unattractive or unrighteous or unsuccessful people, in a miserable little corner of the Roman empire, and then was judicially murdered in a collusion of the state and religious authorities. To use the old formula, Credo quia absurdum. The inconsistency of the accounts has been recognized from the beginning; the inconsistencies pale in comparison to the absurdity of the general story, which has also been recognized from the very beginning

If you have a defensible and interesting reading of the texts, then I am perfectly happy to hear it. It will not necessarily be my view that someone must agree with me completely in order to say something interesting: it does not bother me, for example, if you do not read the texts literally and want to understand them as some complex allegory: but if you insist (say) that the texts are simply an astrological allegory, then you should be willing to support your claim. In fact, for historical reasons, I do not think you can support that particular claim. There are other allegorical readings that I think might be somewhat supportable, and which I would consider rather productive and more interesting -- but if you wish to claim the texts are astrologically based, then I think you have some work to do to justify the claim

[cleanhippie]

26. "the website you link consists of assertions without evidence" - Are you fucking KIDDING me?

You, of all people, are bitching about "assertions without evidence"? REALLY?






:rofl:

[ZombieHorde]

14. Which is why we have churches.

Ha! Too easy.

[struggle4progress]

18. I've never heard astrology preached in any church I attended. The services rather

resemble what Pliny the Younger reported to Trajan in 112:

... They asserted .. that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food ... I judged it .. necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses ... http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/jod/texts/pliny.html

[Goblinmonger]

20. Explain the date for Easter

and then tell me how that isn't about what's in the sky.

[struggle4progress]

21. The date for Easter is derived from the date for Passover, which is tied to the beginning of spring,

which itself was traditionally determined by a combination of several indicators, including the first sliver of new moon after the vernal equinox, and other indicators of spring (such as barley ripening). Unlike the (almost) solar Julian calendar, the Jewish calendar is roughly lunar, so requires more interpolation than a leap day here and there, which is why the moon was not used entirely alone. Passover is still usually around the first full moon after the first full moon after the vernal equinox, tying together a lunar calendar to the beginning of spring. The recipe for Easter ("first Sunday after first full moon after vernal equinox") clearly shows its Passover roots

The regularity of some astronomical events has been useful to some cultures in the past, for predicting certain regular terrestrial events: the ancient Egyptians estimated the arrival of Nile floods, based on when Sirius appeared in the sky immediately before sunrise

[Goblinmonger]

22. That evades the question

The correct answer is "yes, it's based on the bodies in the sky."

[struggle4progress]

23. At least one standard Christian text discourages anyone from spending time staring at the sky:

After saying this, He was taken up as they watched, and a cloud hid Him from their sight. As He was going, they looked intently up into the sky. And suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking at the sky?"

Or, at least, the text suggests one ought to be able to give a good reason for staring at the sky -- and apparently "I think I just saw the Christ float up into the blue" doesn't count as a very good reason for gape-mouthed staring

[laconicsax]

24. And another standard Christian text says that the stars exist for the purpose of reading signs.

You may have read it: Genesis 1:14

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Not an exclusive function, but part of God's design.

[struggle4progress]

27. I do sometimes wonder why some people seem to lack a sense of humor

[laconicsax]

28. Oh, I have a sense of humor if something's funny.

Not so much when it's pathetic.

How's your exercise towards clarifying your own personal thinking going? How's that take of yours working for you? Aren't you going to admonish me for failing to take into account the proper historical context for Genesis 1?

[edhopper]

9. And nothing wrong with your OP

Might be silly, but it is certainly appropriate on this forum.

[pokerfan]

12. a god can take many forms

[Ninjaneer]

17. Thank you for posting, sir.

A good read :)

I, for one, enjoyed it. Keep posting.

[Deep13]

19. Doesn't it say that JC got out of a boat and urged Pete to do the same? nt