|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:21 PM Original message |
Religions as memes. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is the inconvenient truth for Richard Dawkins. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I agree with what you say. Dawkins, of course, denies this. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The thing is that memes aren't selected based on whether or not |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. But you can't ignore the obvious correlation between individual and gene. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I don't know about that. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Ah, but there is the deepest most interesting part, sudopod!!!! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I think your link went awry, it goes to a discussion of income vs. intelligence |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Yes, the truth lies outside organized religion, and all other human endeavor. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Fair enough! and Likewise! :) nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Tell that to sufferers of sickle-cell anemia. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Ah, now there's a smart post. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Hmm...I don't know about that... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. But would you? Can't you see we can't predict the effects of our actions? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. What you're talking about is the law of unintended consequences, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. We can't halt all progress due to fear, can we? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. All I question in your statement is this: |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. This is very Matrix-ish, heh. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Yes, why are we ADDICTED to Truth? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. It should also be noted that similiar arguments were once put forward against self-governance. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. The difference there was that there was a positive alternative that achieved the same goals. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. We're working on it. ;) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Oh right on! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Have a good one! nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. You've never heard of secular humanism? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. It doesn't compare to a religion at this point, it lacks fire. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. That "fire" as you define it is one of the MAJOR problems of organized religions. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I think you don't understand the analogy. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. humility. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. The thing is, I didn't say it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Ooooh, this too! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. "Universal features of a species demand a Darwinian solution." - Richard Dawkins. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I have my handy copy of "The God Delusion" right here. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Mine is the hard copy Houghton Miflin - 2006. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. He then directly discusses evidence for the next 15 pages. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Evidence? No he makes conjectures. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Whether religious behavior is advantageous isn't really the point, though... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Read #26. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. The assertion about the universality of religion is based on Dawkins statement. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I was simplifying for the audience. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. doppelganger. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. whoops, wrong post! nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Same could be said about racism and other quite harmful memes. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. No, they don't help the organisms, they help themselves. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Example: the shakers |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Exactly! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I already put my brain into an Adrian Barbeaubot |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Descriptive scientific language and prescriptive political thinking diverse wildly.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. If you're going to call him racist and a fascist, then [citation needed] |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 06:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
35. Thank you for proving my point. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Who is observing the Roman pagan holidays? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I must admit that I'm not sure where your argument leads. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. That is hilarious. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 06:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
66. That's a lovely answer, however it doesn't address my question. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. "It wouldn't be here if it didn't help organisms" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. And they can spread in populations even then. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. sickle cell and malaria, I know |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. It is possible, but there are other possibilities, such as a parasitic relationship. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Infectious diseases evolve but they seldom help their host organisms |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
29. Are these the things that come out of volcanoes and inhabit people? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. AFAIK, they usually involve putting things in volcanoes. :D nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Memetics: The Modern Science of Dental Health by L. Ron Dawkins |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. you seem...upset. :3 |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
33. Element number 4 is the real key. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
36. Memetics is pseudoscience |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I think someone had a chip on their shoulder when they added that to the wiki. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. And Wikipedia is accurate.* |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. I know good science when I see it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Fri Apr 19th 2024, 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC