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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 08:40 AM
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Child sexual abusers commonly turn to religion to rationalize their behavior
Child sexual abusers commonly turn to religion to rationalize their behaviour

In a previous article archived on this site religion writer Don Lattin pointed out the similarities between Phillip Garrido and the self-proclaimed prophets Joseph Smith and David Berg. The article posted below reveals a few more details of Garrido's religious development. The following quotation really drives home just how similar they are since it aptly applies to both Joseph Smith and David Berg:

Garrido's religion had morphed from traditional Christian beliefs to a nearly indecipherable dogma that placed Garrido as a prophet who held the keys to a deep secret.

This is precisely the process that led David Berg to form the cult Children of God, now known as The Family International. He started as a traditional evangelical Christian, but created a personal mythology wherein he claimed that he was the subject of various prophecies and scriptures foretelling that he was God's final endtime prophet before the return of Jesus (in 1993 according to Berg's teachings). Even though Jesus never returned (and never will) and Berg died in 1994, The Family cult members still believe he was a prophet of God.

Furthermore, both Joseph Smith and David Berg claimed divine inspiration for the various sexual doctrines they inculcated their followers with. In reality, both men were covering up their own sexual immoralities by claiming religious justification. In David Berg's case, he admitted in his writings to molesting one of his daughters, and his other daughter wrote in her book about the cult that Berg attempted incest with her. He also committed adultery shortly after forming his cult and committed various other sexual improprieties. Then to justify his sexual abuses, he began to claim that God no longer prohibited any kind of sexual activity, including adultery, incest, pedophilia, prostitution, etc. His writings, which are still required reading for all members, are responsible for wide-spread sexual abuse.

At a recent conference of cult apologists in Utah, the current leaders of The Family International addressed the conference in an attempt to gain mainstream acceptance or tolerance for their manipulative, abusive cult. They referred to the various sexual doctrines I mentioned above, as well as to other abusive doctrines, as unique and unconventional.

More:
http://www.anatheist.net/go/news/?x=55f


Hat-tip to: http://twitter.com/LoveVickyx/status/3977393177




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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 08:43 AM
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1. No surprise here.
All of my child molesters were professed devout Christians and one of them was even a Protestant priest.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 08:47 AM
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2. NT
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 08:48 AM by timtom
NT
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RetiredTrotskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 08:57 AM
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4. K&R Every Pedophile I Have Ever Known...
was either a priest or a monk or wanted to be.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:53 AM
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10. What are you responding to?
NT means "no text"
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:18 PM
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14. therefore all priests, monks or wannabes are pedophiles.
this is faulty reasoning.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 08:57 AM
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3. The three most common indicators of child abuse
are alcohol, obsessive control or religion...and combinations thereof.

Since my grandmother Tudor gave me that bit of information a long time ago, I suspect it always has been true.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:11 AM
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5. actually, the best indicator of child abuse is abusing children.
the other things you list are unrelated behaviors.

are all people who drink alcohol child abusers?

are all those with obsessive control pedophiles? (although I'll admit, they do have other problems)

are all religious people pedophiles?


according to your logic, over two thirds of our population are pedophiles.

but hey, whatever allows you to castigate religion and still feel good about yourself, go for it. There are no consequences for doing so here.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:20 AM
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7. Castigating religion
As long as you mentioned it, let me put in a link to "Religion is Bullshit": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNy6ziOyxoA
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:24 AM
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8. LOL!
well, anyways, you get my point.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:27 AM
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9. The behaviours are not unrelated.
They are the kind of disturbances which do indicate the kind of personality who will go over the edge into abuse. Are all alcoholics abusive? No. Are all religious people pedocphiles? No.

But abuse is not only sexual either. If you get a religious control freak, he or she can do to their children some incredible things in the interests of having them conform. Yes, I do know this first hand. A man or woman who is controlling will often have a low tolerance for frustration....and his or her children will be the target, because they can't fight back and are in the control of the abuser.

It's the same as asking if an abused child will become an abuser. The answer is, not always...but there's a higher than average probability that this will be the case.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:54 AM
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11. Alcohol abuse, tendency to obsessively control others, and public display
of religious "specialness" ARE red flags alerting to possibility of sexual abuse, whether you like it or not. eom.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:47 AM
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13. No, an indicator is not necessarily a prefect predictor.
"are all people who drink alcohol child abusers?"

No, but most people who are violent to children do have a drinking problem.

"are all those with obsessive control pedophiles? (although I'll admit, they do have other problems)"

No, but many are.

"are all religious people pedophiles?"

No, but almost all pedophiles are religious.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 10:01 AM
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12. Here you go
Quoted from "Sexual Abuse in Christian Homes and Churches" by Carolyn Holderread Heggen:

A disturbing fact continues to surface in sex abuse research. The first best predictor of abuse is alcohol or drug addiction in the father. But the second best predictor is conservative religiosity, accompanied by parental belief in traditional male-female roles. This means that if you want to know which children are most likely to be sexually abused by their father, the second most significant clue is whether or not the parents belong to a conservative religious group with traditional role beliefs and rigid sexual attitudes. (Brown and Bohn, 1989; Finkelhor, 1986; Fortune, 1983; Goldstein et al, 1973; Van Leeuwen, 1990)


Note that it's conservative religious belief which is implicated... which I suspect would not come as a surprise to any of us.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 01:47 PM
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15. do you have a link to that?
I found this link:

http://whatcomcounty.us/sheriff/sexoffenders/pedophile.jsp

which does not list those as the top three indicators.

to be fair, this link:

http://parentingmethods.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_profile_of_a_pedophile

DOES list "regular church going" as an indicator, but its number 7.

I will agree that organized religion affords pedophiles unfettered access to children (like altarboys) but so does coaching sports, teaching, and any activity that involves children.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:12 PM
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16. Here
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 09:11 AM
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6. You can rationalize just about anything by claiming you're doing God's work
Just ask the members of the Bush Empire.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 03:57 PM
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17. I think the most important thing to take away from this...
...is not so much that religion causes people to do bad things (I personally think religion tends to do that more than a lack of religion) but that religion clearly is not a necessary, or even very helpful, guide to moral behavior.

Of course, many of those who highly recommend religion as necessary to the "moral foundation" of society will argue that it's their own particular flavor of religion that's required, and will play the "no true Scotsman" game when you point out the moral failings of those who claim the same religion as the one they promote.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-15-09 12:21 AM
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18. Muhammad married and raped a little girl.
Religion sucks.
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