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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:31 AM
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Faith-Based Fudging
President Obama fulfilled one campaign promise and violated another recently with an executive order revamping the White House office for religion-based and neighborhood programs.

On the campaign trail, Mr. Obama made clear that he would extend the faith-based initiative started by former President George Bush to help social service programs run by religious and other charitable groups obtain federal grants and contracts. But he also pledged that unlike Mr. Bush, he would provide meaningful safeguards to avoid the blurring of church-state boundaries, including a firm rule barring discrimination on the basis of religion. The rule is notably missing from his new decree.

Speaking last July in Ohio, Mr. Obama set forth his basic principles for assuring constitutional balance. First, if you get a federal grant, you cant use the grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you cant discriminate against them or against the people you hire on the basis of religion, he said. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples and mosques can only be used on secular programs.

He said taxpayer dollars should not be used to advance partisan interests, and there was reassuring language about maintaining the separation of church and state in Mr. Obamas remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast preceding the issuance of his order, and in the order itself. But it would have been a lot more reassuring if the directive had actually revoked Mr. Bushs 2002 executive order authorizing religious-oriented recipients of federal funding to hire and fire on religious grounds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/opinion/16mon2.html?t...
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:40 AM
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1. It's not clear to me why Obama..
.. wanted to continue faith-based funding.

The argument that it can be done without
violating the separation of church and
state is totally specious and obfuscatory,
a bit of legalistic cavilling worthy of
the prevarication of the devil, imho.
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 12:29 PM
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3. I wish there had been a way.....
not to vote for the guy, but I had to hold my nose and do it.

I'm thrilled that a black man was elected; I just wish it had been one who doesn't drink the Koolaid and who actually believes in the Constitution.

:(
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:49 AM
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2. obama is a bible thumper. get used to it nt
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 12:34 PM
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4. at least he is NEW TESTEMENT
not rite wing old testement. obama speaks more jesus that georgee CLAIMED.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:41 AM
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5. atheists are the most discriminated people in this country today.
Try running for office and getting an iniative for anything passed while admitting you're an atheist.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:50 PM
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6. BINGO!!!
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:48 PM
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7. I don't think we're the most discriminated against
The least popular maybe, but it is easy for us to hide our atheism.

But I'm a white 30-something male, so it's hard for me to feel discriminated against.
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