|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:25 PM Original message |
No Religious Oath--No Jury Service |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. That is fucked up. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. MAJOR league fucked up. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oh, you're from TEXAS....... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. Explain?? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I told the Judge that I would not take a religious oath |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. What religious oath? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I don't recall the exact wording |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. There must be lots of organizations who'd be willing to take on the case pro bono. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Sorry to disappoint you |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. And you know this because you have already asked them? (nm) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The ACLU wouldn't help me when I was forced to pray |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. The difference here is that you were prohibited from performing a state function that is |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You obviously overlooked a salient point |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Then you might want to find a good up-and-coming constitutional lawyer |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
59. Sadly, I have to agree (nm) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. Their pockets are pretty deep. They might surprise you. It doesn't hurt to let them know. n/m |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
43. The courts probably recognize no "right to serve on a jury" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. But... if an atheist is a defendent, rules regarding oaths with 'so help me god' rule out peers |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. 1. I was responding primarily to the long string of posts above, all claiming |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. 2. Here is the juror's oath required by statute: |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. 3. To what extent the oath actually prevents people from serving on juries |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. 4. If you know of a number of cases, in which the religious faith or lack of faith of the juror |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. where do you live? even in this reddest of counties, I know atheists who have served on |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. I was able to affirm in Oklahoma |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
8. You might put in a formal complaint with the Texas AG |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Our constitution requires belief in a supreme being |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
9. Hey, whatever it takes. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I prefer to do my civic duty |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I don't see it as "duty". |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. You can't have jury trials without jurors. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
66. I'm with you, Cosmik.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. I am always reminded of a line from "night court" about jury duty. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yeah, ain't it great |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
18. Well, I'm sorry to hear this... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Now THERE is a good idea. Send out the bat signal! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-13-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. They have their own lawyers that represent clients. Like Randall Kallinen. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
22. I'm proud of you. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The Mennonite was booted too. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Well that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, those goddamn mennonites, they're as corrupt as you can get... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. It's not the worst thing to happen to me, I'll get over it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. We'll add it to the current list of non-existent examples of discrimination against atheists. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. This time I didn't say anything about being an atheist |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Other than mennonites and atheists, any idea what other groups would have reason to refuse? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. The Great Zebedo knows all, tells all. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I think it must have been challenged otherwise the other bible belt states would require it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. This is not a requirement in the normal sense. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Bingo. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Can you please give details? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I reported to the first court room |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zebedeo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. That's disgraceful |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Friends (aka Quakers) would have refused to swear |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. In a perfect world, one's word would be enough for anybody, not just christians. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
5LeavesLeft (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
24. That's pretty messed up |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
41. I have never gotten to be a juror ... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
44. That is just absurd... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
45. Thanks for the tip. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Ah, but your profile says you're in a civilised state |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Well, crap. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Alas, such a trick would not work in my state |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Yeah, but were you wearing nail polish and lipstick? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. A good point |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. And of course then it requires you to single yourself out. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. In the past I have refused to tell what "my religion" was |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rexcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
57. One would think that it would be unconstitutional... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. There was never any doubt that it is illegal. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
diogenes99 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. A successful challenge... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 06:56 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Thank you, and welcome to DU |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Religion/Theology |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC