Doctor left drugged Michael Jackson alone, sources say

[Triana]

:grr:
:mad:

This f*cking QUACK killed him.


http://www.latimes.com/news/la-me-jackson-doctor14-2009aug14,0,3345788.story


Michael Jackson's personal physician left the performer alone and under the influence of a powerful anesthetic to make telephone calls the morning the pop singer died, according to three people familiar with the investigation.

By the time he returned, Jackson had stopped breathing, the sources said.

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Dmitry Gorin, a defense lawyer who was a deputy district attorney, said that to prove involuntary manslaughter, prosecutors would have to show that Murray's conduct was reckless to the point that no reasonable physician would consider such a course of treatment.

"They'd use medical experts to show that the lack of monitoring equipment, lack of staff and leaving the room was so beyond the pale of what a professional would do," Gorin said.

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NOT TO MENTION that this drug is NOT intended for home use and ANY doctor with any sense of ethics AT ALL would never administer it in a home setting WITHOUT proper monitoring - PARTICULARLY when there were OTHER drugs he used. WHAT DOCTOR DOES *NOT* review all medications a patient is on when they become a patient?

Eh?

What an effing fool. Worse, I suspect he'll get off with MURDERING Michael Jackson scot-free.

If what Gorin says is the case, it ought NOT to be difficult to prove manslaughter - but I still suspect this quack will get away with what he did.

[CBGLuthier]

suicide, not murder

The idiot was warned and thought he was invulnerable.

[hlthe2b]

4. MJ is guilty of being a fool, but this was not suicide, but manslaughter

(negligent homicide)....

It was the medical professional's responsibility, ultimately--in every way. While I don't usually go for sending "group lessons" vis-a-vis punitive sentences, this doc needs to reap the maximum punishment the law allows. In this case, a message needs to be sent.

[Triana]

5. That was my take on it...

...yea MJ should NOT have been asking for that stuff - not wise. But in the end, it's the doctor's responsibility to say "No - that's not meant to be used like that - it's dangerous. I'll help you in another way if possible but I will not give you propofol in that setting." OTHER doctors did that (they said NO) - Murray did not.

Murray needed the money - badly - and I'm sure that influenced his thinking on this - he needed the job. And he clearly cared more about that and the money than MJ's health or well-being. He took the oath - and he violated it - clearly.

NO ethical physician would give anyone that kind of sedative with no monitoring in a home setting - period.

And I also agree that a 'shot over the bow' needs to be sent to those other feel-good Hollywood drug pusher doctors out there that they CANNOT do shit like this and get away with it - no matter how famous the "patient" is or how much money they're given. It is a violation of patient-care ethics. PERIOD. If they can't live by that code - maybe they ought to consider a different profession. Otherwise, they end up KILLING people.

[blonndee]

6. WTF do you know about it?

Answer: nothing.

[EFerrari]

1. It sure sounds like he will get off.

:grr:

[Warpy]

2. Anything that can be administered in a doctor's office

and this qualifies, can be administered in a home equipped with oxygen and monitoring equipment.

The trick to monitoring equipment is that it has to be attached and, like, monitored.

If the doc left him completely unattended during the period the drug was active, he is negligent and liable.

Short acting anesthesia seems an extreme way to put someone to beddy bye, in any case.

[Triana]

3. There was no monitoring equipment

from all I've read.

[Triana]

7. CONservative Nazi Network Trying to Exonerate Murray

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/13/jackson.doctor/

What this sleezy lawyer who claims he's worked on medical malpractice cases involving anesthesia DOESN'T MENTION is that this drug (propofol) was NOT meant to be used and typically isn't used in any other than a surgical setting in a hospital with an anesthesiologist present AND ECG and blood oxygen level monitoring machines monitoring the patient while it is administered.

BUT - the drug was administered in a HOME with NO monitoring.

Still, I expect the sleezbag quack will get off scot-free.

[Triana]

8. Murray: Quack.

One expert was shocked at the allegation that Murray - the apparent target of a manslaughter probe into the icon's death - left his patient unattended.

"If the patient is unconscious, you shouldn't be stepping out. The margin of error between being slightly sedated with propofol and not breathing could be just a few drops," Dr. Mark Schlesinger, chairman of anesthesiology at Hackensack University Medical Center, told the Daily News.

"In a hospital, we would wait until the person is awake" before leaving him unmonitored, he said.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/michael_jackson/2009/08/13/2009-08-13_michael_jacksons_doctor_conrad_murray_left_king_of_pop_alone_to_make_phone_calls.html#ixzz0O7YEbiSh

[sunnybrook]

9. I mostly agree

Although I think MJ is responsible for obviously engaging in very dangerous drug practices, this does not in any way relieve the responsibility of the "doctor."

Besides that I think you are getting worked up over something that is probably not even totally true; these new reports are supposedly based on what MURRAY told police. I wouldn't just buy that so easily! This after he slipped away for a few days to get his story straight. For one thing, the idea that he left him alone to go make some phone calls, then came back and found he was gone, is actually the version that makes Murray look better. He would want the "phone calls" to fall in the timeline of when he did not know that MJ was dead. Because it is obviously HIGHLY suspicious and more probable that he made the phone calls AFTER he realized that he was dead. Because he called his office and it is at least possible that he asked them to go and get something out of a storage unit. As horrible as it is in his "story," it would actually make it look better that he was just making random phone calls, not making phone calls to hide evidence, which he could not have done if Michael was alive. (Or if police are operating under the pretense that he was alive as far as Murray knew).

Either way he needs to be arrested. He has to be a flight risk, his inevitable arrest has been reported for weeks!

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[YellowdogIam]

11. Murray is not alone in the blame

True he is a Dr and had a moral responsibility to his patient.. but...
There were other people in that house who knew what was gong on and had been going on for quite some time..where is their blame?

His family was well aware of the fact that he had a severe drug problem, how much balme do they share?

Ultimately Jackson himself was aware of the dangers of this powerful drug and it's misuse.. he is to blame

So if it's blame you want, there is plenty to go around

[rj5690]

12. not surprised about this