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Doodlesweaver Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:13 AM
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Some curious math...
I compiled all this information below from the K/E forum. I suck at math. So, I just copied and pasted for you guys to evaluate. Sounds like we may be missing a whole lot of votes!!!

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An estimated 117.5 million to 121 million people were expected to cast votes Tuesday, which, if forecasts were correct, would be 58 percent to 60 percent of eligible voters.

Slightly more than 51 percent of voters, about 105.4 million, cast ballots in 2000, when Republican George W. Bush defeated Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites).


http://news.yahoo.com/elections/

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1963&e=22&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_pr/eln_voter_turnout_3&sid=96378798

WHERE ARE THE MISSING 15 MILLION VOTES ?

As the person who posted that originally, let me answer you.

I am right here and demanding to know where our votes went!!!!!!!!!!!!!

According to CNN Bush has 52,456,478 and Kerry has 48,872,751. That's 101,139,282 TOTAL. So what happened to the other five to ten million or more that was expected?

MASSIVE voter registration drives.
Lines waiting for hours to vote today.
Lines waiting for hours to vote since the start of early voting.
Higher rates of absentee ballots.

And yet when it's all said and done, the only change from four years ago is MORE votes for Bush? I saw those lines. We all did. So why is the total less?

I'm sorry, but that dog don't hunt.

Something does not seem right with this, I agree.
Assuming the CNN nubers do not include states not yet called, the number is still low:
Nevada: 700k
NM: 600k
Iowa:1.5m
Mich:3.5m
OH:5.5m
Wisc:2.5m

This is an additional 14.5 million assuming THESE VOTES ARE NOT INCLUDED in the current total, but they are.

53,392,704
49,760,966

Adding 14.5 to this total would get us to the 120m+ range, BUT, the 14.5 IS INCLUDED in those numbers.

I just do not understand how the GOTV capaigns have failed and turnout as a % of eligible voters would be the lowest in decades based on the total vote. Whats happening here
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:18 AM
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1. How Many Provisional Ballots?
They were trying to force as many Dems as possible to use provisional ballots,
which they will try not to count, of course.
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Rjnerd Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:23 AM
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2. When I was driving home from
NH, the radio was full of "state x record turnout"...

I am assuming that the PV total doesn't include all the still to be counted western votes. (last I checked, LA was still 0% reporting)

For states other than OH, we should know the total that passed thru the doors, even if we don't know what they did in the booth yet. Every time I have walked thru the door, two people with those hand counters (presumably one per party) noted my passing.

-dp-
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Point_n_click Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:23 AM
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3. I think I know where they went.
Early voting numbers not being added to totals and in the instance of touch screen votes, simply being deleted. Since most early voters were registered democrats they'd definitely want those votes to vanish.

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DARE to HOPE Donating Member (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:27 AM
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4. Exactly!!
And when I think of how they have been setting this up, to drive more of us to provisional ballots, or out of the right to vote at all, as in the Blackwell 80 pound paper in Ohio. Also, the college students who were challenged over and over.

They have also been setting us up by complaining about the lawyers.

But we must FIGHT FOR OUR OWN VOTES, and hold Kerry to fighting for them, too.

"Where are the missing 15 million votes?!!"

That is our refrain to every news media outlet.

Thanks!!
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