Castor bests Kerry in 52 Florida Counties

[Patsy Stone]

Alachua -1,305
Baker -673
Bay -1,122
Bradford -694
Brevard -1,168
Calhoun -410
Citrus -2,422
Clay -1,860
Columbia -1,749
DeSoto -118
Dixie -775
Duval -5,138
Flagler -234
Franklin -485
Gadsden -617
Gilchrist -561
Glades -103
Gulf -451
Hamilton -337
Hardee -657
Hendry -67
Hernando -2,447
Highlands -1,849
Hillsborough -16,166
Holmes -798
Jackson -1,050
Jefferson -369
Lafayette -545
Lake -1,414
Leon -2,307
Levy -1,055
Liberty -389
Madison -590
Manatee -3,533
Marion -3,543
Nassau -946
Okaloosa -277
Okeechobee -311
Pasco -6,012
Pinellas -8,991
Polk -7,222
Putnam -1,289
Santa Rosa -506
Sarasota -3,209
St. Johns -920
Sumter -1,260
Suwannee -1,547
Taylor -923
Union -381
Wakulla -1,152
Walton -557
Washington -540


How many counties did Martinez beat *? Only one, and it's Miami-Dade, by 43,250. * beat Martinez overall in FL by 291,658.

Kerry did best Castor in several counties, bringing the total to 6657 more votes for Castor than Kerry statewide.

How wack is this? Data is from SoS FL http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

Sorry about the long list. I do not know how to link to a spreadsheet.

[Melodybe]

1. Odd isn't it?

Who knew so many people loved Betty, how did Martinez beat her?

[Patsy Stone]

2. How did that many BushClones

not vote for Martinez? There was an abortion question on the FL ballot. You wanna tell me that that many people forgot to vote for an anti-choice Senatorial Candidate? I think not!

[understandinglife]

16. Kick &....

....really glad you posted this, here, Patsy Stone!

"Halt, Audit, & Prove My Vote Counts, Now"

[AlexHamilton]

3. I think there are explanations...

For instance before the election I was trying to convince hardline Republicans to at least vote for a Democratic Senator so that there would be checks and balances in Washington. Could be lots of people listened to me. ;) But seriously I think that could be a factor. There are lots of other anomalies that are more worrisome. Thanks for the data though, it is definitely interesting.


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[Patsy Stone]

4. 290K more votes for Bush than Martinez

is reallllly weird.

[alittlelark]

6. uh , yeah

[Winamericaback]

5. Well

I live in one of those counties (Marion) with almost even registration between dems and Repugs but a majority republican presidential vote, Marion is very Caucasian with no minorities in public office.

SO that could be it.. just pure racism. they wouldn't want to vote for the Hispanic. The counties with the highest hispanic populations aren't on that list.

Just one theory .. I could be wrong :) I hope I am.. maybe they voted more for Castor because she was a better candidate and wasn't sniffing up Bush's bum... or maybe ES&S and Diebold didn't have their grubby paws in the smaller races.

[Flagius]

7. Well...

There was a big backlash against Martinez because he got really deep into the gutter against the hardcore conservative Bill McCollum, accusing him of being some huge supporter of a homosexual agenda, and it alienated alot of more moderate Republican voters against him.

[LittleClarkie]

8. Just so we're not on a wild goose chase, is there any way

to look up old data, say from 1996, which I guess is the last time we can be relatively sure about the validity of the election?

I just want to make sure we're not going ape over semi-normal occurences, however unlikely that may be.

I'd gladly start peeking at old results myself if someone could point me to a good resource to start with for election results.

[Patsy Stone]

11. Here's the archive. Knock yourself out.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/index.asp

[skids]

25. You may have to go back further than that.

There have been allegations of electronic fraud ever since opscan was introduced in the late 60's

[LittleClarkie]

31. Is opscan

the one where you fill in the arrow with a marker and then feed it through a machine, which then beeps if it is correct or doesn't beep if it's incorrect? Hell, we have that kind here. I never thought about it being a bad thing before. I certainly thought it was better than electronic or ye ol' hanging chad.

[Patsy Stone]

33. Looks like a standardized test.

bubbles to fill in

[mulethree]

32. Look at the 2004 Dem Primary

When I was investigating those "Dixiecrat" counties where they are
75% Democrat by registration but voted 75% for Bush : I found that they turned out pretty heavily for the Dem Primary and voted really strong for Castor.

My first thought was - are these Republicans who switched registration to defeat Castor's opponent in the Primary?

But they've been Democrats for 20+ years, vote in the primaries and vote for some local/state Dems, but they like the Bushes and, to a lesser degree, they liked Dole.

[Patsy Stone]

9. I just find it improbable

43K more votes for Martinez than * in Miami. So, 43K Kerry (or third party voters) voted for a anti-choice, handpicked Jeb!/* cabinet member for Senate to replace Bob Graham? Or, more ridiculously, 43K people showed up just to vote for Martinez in Miami? We have e-vote machines, where there can be no overvotes. So, if not either of these two possibilities, then what happened?

Also, 6657 more people voted for a Senatorial candidate, than a same party presidential candidate statewide???

Also, Castor beats Kerry in 52 counties? The majority of counties (not the majority of population though)?

In addition, Castor won in 9 counties that Kerry lost in. Maybe it's those Dixiecrats. In every county that Kerry won, Castor received more votes than Kerry. The most obvious example of this is Volusia:

Kerry: Won by 3595 votes; Castor beat Martinez by 10,900; Castor beat B by 3008 votes. Kerry over Castor by 587 votes. B: 111,924; Martinez: 104,032.

It's a busy day here, and maybe I'm just crazy, but something smells bad to me.

[bmoney07]

10. I've been screaming this since day 1

How many other states have had this curious result when comparing the Dem Senator to the Dem Pres, and vice versa with Rep Senator and Rep President, is Florida the only state that this happend to???

Remember this is Florida home of the 2000 Debacle, home of Jeb Bush, if they did it here then they probably did it else where.

[Patsy Stone]

12. I've been screaming too

Only on kos, where no one seemed to notice. That's why I posted here.

[freedom for all]

13. I agree

it is not believable that all the Dem's around the country vote for the other Dem's like Senator, Judges & lower offices than don't vote for Kerry...Don't forget some of those other weird votes on amendments like the one in Florida were all the votes go to bush but yet the raise the minimum wage passes easily..yea all those repubs want the wage raised.. I don't it..Even my brother a life long Dem does not want the minimum wage raised due to his business interests..
To believe what is going on is to throw away common sense but hey most Americans are great at that.. Most people just believe what they are told on TV..

[libertypirate]

14. Check did Bush do better then the other repubs?

In New Mexico he did better in the 20 precincts I checked then other repubs while kerry did worse then other dems... In every county...

[Patsy Stone]

19. In Citrus County

46,380 people showed up to vote for Nancy Argenziano (R) for State Senate seat, 3rd District.

There were 39,500 votes for B in this county, and 33,998 votes for Martinez.

There were 7660 more votes for the two parties candidates than State Senator. OK, no problem, that happens all the time, yet...6880 more people voted for a lower card R candidate, than did for that party's Presidential candidate?

It's wrong. It's just wrong. I can't put my finger on it (other than that nagging suspicion I have), but something bad is happening.

My math, she is very bad, and Excel is my friend, but if you guys wanna have at it, feel free.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

15. Note that Vet Part y Senate cand. Dennis F. Bradley got 2.2%

(or 166,642 votes) I think that needs to be figured into any analysis of Florida.
Lord knows what motivated people to vote for him, but I would suspect Dixiecrat, anti-Cubans and racists might be a big component.
Of course, this all supposes the dos.state.fl.us numbers are real!

[WI_DEM]

17. That really isn't all that unusual

Often a senate candidate will run ahead of the presidential candidate of the same party, because being from the same state voters feel they know that person better. For instance here in Wisconsin Feingold got about 150,000 more votes than Kerry did.

[bmoney07]

18. This is Florida remember??

Everyone here voted for the presidential races no gave a rats ass about the others seats.

Remember 2000, and lets see if the trend favors the Repugs instead of the Dems - in how many states has this happened where the Dem Senatorial can got more votes than the Dem presidential can, and the Rep senatorial can got less votes than the Rep presidential can???

[Patsy Stone]

20. In Florida, we know a Bush when we see one

:)

We also know Castor (a County Commissioner, a State Senator, Education Commissioner and a university president) and Martinez (Bush cabinet). We also know Bob Graham.

[Patsy Stone]

21. Maybe, but then that wouldn't explain Bush beating Martinez...

This was the second largest race. The advertising alone could have killed you. Martinez trailed * by ~300K? I could see Feingold beating Kerry (well, sort of). Feingold is a known commodity, this was two first time Senatorial candidates.

Either they don't know the person, and they have less votes than the Pres candidate, or everyone knows them and they have more votes than the presidential candidate?

I'm asking what the possibility is that you came out to vote for Martinez only, no Bush (in Miami!!!)? Or that you came out to vote for Castor only, no Kerry, in 52 counties? Pretty, pretty slim.

Again, I could be reading all of this wrong.

[bmoney07]

22. I agree

Agree

Agree

Agree

******

This Florida no way in Hell Castor beat Kerry -

[NewYorkerfromMass]

24. In Miami-Dade 41,402 elected no vote for Senate

and 14,227 no vote (or write in) for Pres.- Based on the reported 788,953 turnout.

[Patsy Stone]

28. I'm not sure what your point is

Is it a good one? :)

[liberal al zib]

23. WOW! This had never

happened before in history of US election.

[Her Blondness]

26. I'm guessing -- Hispanic prejudice?

I'm from south Florida which we all know has a large Hispanic population.

I'm just speculating here: North and central "good ole boy cracker" Florida is very resentful of the growing spanish takeover of the state. I wondering if they simply couldn't bring themselves to vote for a man named Martinez from Miami.

[Patsy Stone]

27. Remember Governor Bob Martinez?

That's old school. :)

Maybe there are explanations, I hope there are and that this is not as obvious as it seems. I'm wondering if Miami-Dade sort of, I don't know, padded * vote totals by say, 43,250 votes? or, say 291,658 statewide?

Not doubting the prejudice thing, I just wanna meet someone who voted for Kerry & Martinez. I wanna meet someone (any of the 43K) who showed up to only vote for Martinez in Miami.

[understandinglife]

29. If you do, please introduce them to ...

....all of us!!

:yourock:

"Halt, Audit & Prove My Vote Counts, Now"

[sepia_steel]

30. Am i wrong?

I seem to remember that the number of counties with 'anomalies' in OKlahoma was also 52. Why do we keep seeing numbers repeating themselves?


(or was it 57? I'll go take a look)

[Her Blondness]

34. D'oh! OK need another theory

[flamin blue state]

35. Arlen Specter in Philly vs Bush

What were the numbers there?