The GOP is scared

[AnIndependentTexan]

http://www.northcountynews.com/view.asp?s=11-24-04/news5.htm

White House spokeswoman told North County News last Friday that citizens should embrace the Election Day results and dismiss recount efforts in Ohio that could hand Democratic Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts the presidency.

"The election has ended, and now is the time for the country to come together to address the challenges our nation faces," the spokeswoman, Suzy DeFrancis, remarked.

[knowbody0]

1. lets all cum together under this full moon

[intheflow]

12. Sounds too pagan for Repugs.

And definitely too sexual!

[Chimpanzee]

90. Heard at a Bukakke party

"Cum together, right now, over me'

[bumblebee1]

23. cum together

The GOP has as much chance to bringing America together as Osama bin Laden has of becoming a born again Christian.

[nodehopper]

101. and HOWL!!!!

[Straight Shooter]

2. "click click click" ... "click click click" ... "click click click"

"There's no place like home." "There's no place like home." "There's no place like home."

Oh, if I squeeze my eyes shut real hard, and wish and wish and wish, it will make it so.

That's the GOP M.O.: Wishful-thinking policy.

This election is ended when we Democrats tell you it's ended. Got that, Ms. DeFrancis?

[anamandujano]

17. "This election is ended when we Democrats tell you it's ended."

Agree---We should never let up on this--even if the fight continues until the next selection.

[goldengreek]

24. Damn right. We're making the rules this time.

We're not going to let these bastards get away without a full accounting. Starting with that Mitofsky fella and his exit poll data.

[KaryninMiami]

28. AMEN!!!! Blackwell is next in line please, followed by

Jeb and Glenda, the bad witch of the South!

[anamandujano]

31. Which means they'll be fair rules,

in line with the true vision of democracy--one man, one vote--not one machine, 4000 votes.

[MarkusQ]

41. No, when "We the people" say it is

This isn't just the Democrats fight. There are a lot of Republicans (including me) who think this whole thing stinks to high heaven and want it fixed. No, I'm not thrilled about having Kerry as my president, but I'd far rather an honest man I disagree with right down the line than a cheating crook that will say or do anything to get elected, even if he does claim to be a Republican.

News Flash: "Fraud" is not one of the "Moral Values" I was raised to respect, any more than "bald faced lying", "fear mongering", "shooting first", or "spending other people's money like a drunken sailor".

That man has a hell of a lot of nerve calling himself a conservative.

Even if the Democrats decide to drop it, there are a lot of Republicans who are sick of having our good name dragged through the mud by him, and we aren't about to drop it till he's stopped.

--MarkusQ

[New Earth]

42. best post ever

[VioletLake]

43. Good for you, MarkusQ.

Good to have you onboard.

[Straight Shooter]

46. Yes, but you know what I mean

It's the Dems whose butts are really on the line. It's their fight this time, because John Kerry is our candidate and many of us believe, with good reason, he won.

Some say what really matters is repairing the process so the next election is trustworthy. Some say it doesn't matter if the election turns around or not, and I say it does. We didn't think it mattered enough to fight in 2000, and look what happened. We are almost as culpable for being lulled into thinking "just another politician" when bush became the squatter in the Oval Office.

Along the lines of what you posted, a very good friend of mine is a Repub and she despises bush and what he has done to the Republican name.

I know I sound a little combative about Kerry's right to the White House, but I assure you it's not personal (except when it comes to trolling freepers).

Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[MarkusQ]

52. The reason Gore lost in 2000

Some say what really matters is repairing the process so the next election is trustworthy. Some say it doesn't matter if the election turns around or not, and I say it does. We didn't think it mattered enough to fight in 2000, and look what happened. We are almost as culpable for being lulled into thinking "just another politician" when bush became the squatter in the Oval Office.

The reason Gore lost in 2000 was (IMHO) that Rove & his gang of thugs was able to cast the issue in terms of "Democrats want Gore to win" (which made the whole thing about sour grapes). From that point on, it was doomed because half the country was against you from the start.

With Kerry sitting out the early rounds, there is a chance to get the focus on the fact that Americans of all flavors want their votes counted accurately. It isn't about getting Kerry in to office, it's about the integrity of the process. Stated that way, I think you'll find that the majority of the Republicans will be behind it instead of against you.

I know I sound a little combative about Kerry's right to the White House, but I assure you it's not personal (except when it comes to trolling freepers).

I know it isn't personal, and I don't take it that way. But it also isn't productive. That path was tried in 2000, and we see where it leads. This isn't about anybody's right to the whitehouse, it's about every American's right to honest elections.

--MarkusQ

[nashville_brook]

69. wow -- you have such a reasoned tone. it's very re-assuring,

to hear from a republican who sounds like my father's and grandfather's republicanism.

i don't remember them being anything like republicans nowadays -- with their evangelical fervor. the patriarchs of my family would have hated where the party is now.

(yuk -- i don't want this to sound condescending, like "reasoned, for a republican." i think i'm trying to say political differences used to about policy and ideas. now, if someone is on the other side, they are evil.

[DontBlameMe]

97. Don't sound so surprised.

There are a lot of Republicans/true Conservatives lurking here.

I, myself, voted Republican many times. It just became too much. They did nothing other than protect the uber rich.

Personally, I'm very conservative regarding fiscal and foreign policy, but EXTREMELY liberal on just about everything else. Now, when I say conservative on foreign policy, I don't mean warmongering. I think we have to protect our interests, that just doesn't mean we can beat the shit out of someone because we want what they have.

Anyway, my wife and I, after seeing how the Repubs acted between 2000-2002, proudly voted a straight Dem ticket, both in 2002 and this year.

Don't be surprised. There are a lot more of us out there than you know.

Note: I don't think I've ever said I was a former Republican, even on all the threads over the years (I've been here since pretty much the beginning) asking for former Repubs.

Note 2: My dad, a life long Republican, almost voted for Kerry. He had a problem with the UN, though. However, he basically can't stand Shrub.

[nashville_brook]

102. i knew you guys were out there, somewhere

my husband is a software developer and his colleagues are mostly fiscal republicans like yourself. one guy assumed my hubby was also an 'R' b/c he drives german cars, smokes cigars and brews beer. "you can't be a DEMOCRAT! you drive a BMW" major 'ewwwwwww' moment.

in the early days of the campaign the R's were affecting that NFL-like "our guy's gonna beat you guy" attitude. nothing wrong with that -- elections are *my* favorite sport, too. they would have fevered political debates. good times.

after the first debate a number of the R computer engineers confided in my husband that bush scared the living hell out of them. of the ones swayed, they were swayed b/c of either what bush said or how he said it.

i'm not applauding the fact that bush blanked the evening -- rather, i'm thrilled to know that it's not an US/THEM proposition for us normal, non-media humans. it's not dogma for everyone. that means there's hope.

peace out -- b

[goclark]

75. Go Markus , you made our day!!!!

I want to believe that the Republicans with a heart are pretty worried about all this stuff right now.

The moral majority,the voter suppression,stomping on the basic principles of the Republican party are puke.

Thank God for you, there is a ray of light at the end of the tunnel.

[solinvictus]

81. Welcome aboard!

I feel the same way. Kerry wasn't among my top three choices, but he seems to be an honest man, which is far more than I can say for El Presidente and his junta.

[pbartch]

111. This is ALL our fight. MY vote counts and if those varmits

steal my vote......then our democracy is dead.

"Honesty is the best policy. If I lose mine honor, I lose myself."
William Shakespeare

[googly]

79. Gore had the sense to hold off concession, why not Kerry?

By conceding, Kerry lost interest of MSM and the public.
OTOH if he had held off conceding, there was infinitely
better chance of the powers to be getting involved in
investigations of fraud etc. It seems now we have only some
fringe reporters and obscure media paying attention. The
MSM has unfortunately moved on as they say.

[Samantha]

80. Perhaps his concession was a Trojan Horse

I would give anything to know if the Dems have involved David Boies. I saw him make a couple of television appearances the week before the election. He also put his book out about a week before the election. The last chapter was about Bush v. Gore, and some of the advice and commentary has been invaluable in this 2004 controversy.

Here's the problem with those at this site trying to persuade the majority the Dems simply lost. The Republicans ran the dirtiest campaign in our election history. Following this, the Republicans ran a whistleclean election. Thinking such as this is totally illogical. That's why regardless of the outcome of this controversy I will never believe this election was not highjacked. It would be "out of character" for the Republicans not to have pulled shady maneuvers. If they follow their past pattern, they will point a finger at the Dems and accuse them of the actions they, the Republicans perpetrated. They are beyond corrupt.

[ginnyinWI]

86. I think just the opposite--

in my opinion, the last person to come forward should be John Kerry. He of all people can't risk losing credibility if he hopes to take the White House in January. He can't be seen as scheming to steal the election--even though we know he wouldn't ever do that. It has to come from all of the rest of us. Jesse Jackson and others should be able to attract enough media, when they are ready for it.

[bones_7672]

57. Hmmm, the election is over ...

when the votes are certified in ONE WEEK.

[googly]

85. Florida vote Review by Florida Newspaper

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FLORIDA_VOTING?SITE=NYSTA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

[Gman]

3. link is bad

[AnIndependentTexan]

18. link fixed I thought it was removed for a moment

[digitaldog]

4. and they should be

democracy is about to get up on it's hind legs and take 'em on.

[opihimoimoi]

5. After i rob a Bank, I could say the Police should accept the results

and move on... never mind the crime.

WTF, if there were crimes and if OHIO wants a new President by voting for one... we should count the friggen things correctly to see if OHIO gets her wish.

These GOP guys sure play by funny rules they make up as they go along.

[intheflow]

6. Your link doesn't work

It seems the North County News (re)moved the story.

[AnIndependentTexan]

9. wow that was fast

It was posted here by another Democratic Underground member

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x83553#83787

[dweller]

19. got it here okay

link seems fine.

dp

[intheflow]

25. I tried it again, worked fine this time. n/t

[freedom for all]

7. maybe a little nervous

but not scared.. When they get scared they will send out their thugs from 2000 who stopped the recount.. I will never forget how that mob was able to stop the recount in that one county..When i see reports and pics of them in Ohio causing trouble then i will know they are scared.. But you are right the more they tell us to move on means they don't like we are doing or might find..

[progressoid]

26. yep, I've been thinking the same and maybe that is why the DNC is

taking a low profile on this. They need to get all of their ducks in a row first and not raise any red flags for the GOP.

At least that kind of reasoning I need to keep my spirits up.

[Spiffarino]

34. Side note: I do hope they try that ploy again

Because we'll be ready for them this time. And I would love the chance to counter-protest with about ten times their number.
:nuke:

[nashville_brook]

76. yeah and reading the article

the whole repub angle is just in the intro -- the rest of the piece is actaully a fairly decent inventory of our efforts as the tin foil hat gang (without the tin foil hat part).

maybe the message here isn't that the GOP is scared, maybe the media is waking up. in a grassroots way. this is a smallish paper ( i didn't check to see if was gannett) reporting on the work that is coming out of the blogosphere and alernative weeklies. the writer was clever to get the white house to remark on the issue. this is a good media contact.

[purduejake]

8. I still have hope...

Bev Harris and allies are dedicating their hope to the cause of bringing fairness to this election. Between the stolen election, Dick Cheney's illegal activities at Halliburton, and the outing of a CIA agent, something is finally going to catch up with them and I will revel in the moment.

[VioletLake]

10. They should be scared.

They've been bad. Very bad.

[Spiffarino]

11. What are they afraid of?

Jebus W. Bush was appointed by the Almighty, right? If that's true, won't He smite all of us who oppose him?

Still waiting to be smitten...

On edit: Stiiillll waiting...

[freedom for all]

14. bev & BBV are true heros

Bev & all the BBV employees have done so much for our country.. They are on the ground risking their life to expose the fraud.. I think they have proof and will prove fraud but i don't think it will change the results of the election..All i hope and pray is that we can fix the voting system so all the elections to come are not fixed or stolen.. otherwise democracy as we know it is gone.. Also i want to say that their are a lot of true hero's at DU.. I don't know many by name but i have read thousands of posts here in my 3 weeks and i want to thank them for their hard work also.. With people like this we all still have hope..

[capi888]

15. I am new , and not able to post a New Thread, to this Movie!

I received this on another blog and they really want this Movie posted to everyone you know...It the WHOLE story of where this Bush Regime is taking us and planned to take us from the beginning.
I would appreciate some of you more established posters to put it on other forums. This movie is over an hour, but you won't regret seeing it. I don't know if it has been posted, but tried to hit a thread that was small... I read DU alot and Thank You for keeping us informed,

HIJACKING CATASTROPHE!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6895.htm

[Spiffarino]

22. Watching it now

Wow. :thumbsup:

[MelissaB]

29. Me, too, but

mine keeps "rebuffering." I'll have to try again later. :(

[Spiffarino]

30. You can download it

It's about 17MB...which sucks if you're on dial-up, but via DSL it only took me about a minute.

[capi888]

35. Spiffarino, Glad you are seeing this film!!! Whoopee

This film was in small theaters prior to the election, but not many saw it. Please start a New thread with it...and get everyone to watch it...and send it on. I have not posted enough to do so. How many posts do you have to have????

[capi888]

36. Kick n/t

[capi888]

37. Kick n/t

[Spiffarino]

38. Posted!

Here ya go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203

and thanks...newbie! ;)

[capi888]

40. Spiffarino, THANK YOU....GREAT ISN'T IT?

Thanks for the great welcome, sure appreciate it...Hope it gets around!

[Blissfulbride]

47. I watched it

Now I'm more afraid and depressed than ever. We'vee got to overturn this election. We've just got to!

[capi888]

56. I feel the same way!

We need to pass this on, as people need to face reality...It is scary, but, perhaps it is that will open the eyes of the sleeping..!

[cynthia]

87. thanks

watching it now.

[Chimpanzee]

91. I just watched the whole movie - and bought a DVD copy

That was awesome! I also own and recommend:

Uncovered: The Truth About the Iraq War
Orwell Rolls in His Grave
A Patriot Act
Control Room
The Corporation
Fahrenheit 9/11
Bush's Brain
The Truth and Lies of 9/11

[LongTomH]

96. DVD Copies

Chimpanzee, I hope you're showing those DVD's to your friends! That's a great way to get the word out!

[Chimpanzee]

100. I try, but alot of people I know don't have DVD players

for whatever reason... I've tried to lend them to 4 different people and not ONE of them have a DVD player!

[bleever]

13. Reminds me of when I was eight years old, and an older kid

wanted a padlock I had (no key, typical kid treasure) and he promised to give me a battery for it the next day if I would trade. So I gave him the lock.

When I saw him the next day, I said, okay, where's the battery you owe me?

And he looked at me and said, that was yesterday!

And the R's are saying, sure we took your votes and counted them back in our own treehouse and had to throw some of them out, and lost some of them, and decided that we won, but that was yesterday! Get over it!

But the election doesn't end with the voting; it's a whole process.

And it wasn't yesterday. It's now.

[aquart]

16. This post should be a LTTE.

It's a powerful and accessible image of bullying.

[VioletLake]

21. Here's my corny story. ;)

When I was about that age, I had a friend who was tormented by older bullies.

After dealing with the fallout for months, his mother enrolled him in karate classes. When she was sure that he could fight, she took him from house to house, calling the bullies out to fight.

In most cases - after finding out what their little devils were up to - the parents administered justice on the spot.

In one case, a bully's father forced him to fight. He got his butt kicked. It was beautiful. Savage, but beautiful.

[texpatriot2004]

48. Amen Bleever, and the whole church said Amen.

It's now, it's definitely now and it's not going away! Not this time. This time we will not go quietly. I WILL NOT "get over it." I'm still not over the 1st hijacking of 2000. I WILL stand my ground and I won't back down. It's not yesterday, it's now. :mad:

[Sperk]

20. Tell it to the Ukrainians!

n/t

[ailsagirl]

27. The election is not over until Congress certifies it.

This, according to Randi Rhodes, and I believe her.

"Embrace the election"-- I don't think so.

[whistle]

32. Get ready for a big surprise, Bush is going to invade Iran. . .

. . . "Wag the Dog".

[Cowboy Joe2k]

33. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

[Im_Your_Huckleberry]

104. you took the words right out of my mouth!

[tandem5]

39. that article strings a lot of stuff together, nice n/t

[burn the bush]

44. here's the EDITOR'S EMAIL Let's email and encourage more stories

He said he had a few dozen emails. Let's let him know that there is more that a few dozen of us. Let's email the editor of this paper and let him know that we like these stories.

[email protected]

[AgadorSparticus]

45. hey suzy, you're right. the election has ended--in turmoil and fraud.

lets come together to address the challenges our nation faces in a rigged election. c'mon. i'm right there with you, honey!!!

[Carolab]

49. Tell you what, Suzy

Why don't you come together with US so we can get to the bottom of what's wrong with this picture?????

Let's all join hands in supporting DEMOCRACY and a FAIR election, huh?

How's about it, Suzy?

[Senator]

50. They are afraid we might successfully...

...Change the FRAME

[dzika]

51. The Republican - "Close look at the vote should spotlight flaws "

This editorial is in The Republican today. It's never to late to sieze the moral high ground...

http://www.masslive.com/editorials/republican/index.ssf?/base/news-1/110154526011770.xml

Close look at the vote should spotlight flaws

Sunday, November 28, 2004

-snip-
"Since Kerry's loss, a small but vocal group of conspiracy theorists has been hard at work trying to prove that some dark forces on Election Day somehow handed votes to Bush while keeping them from Kerry. "

-snip-
"Now comes news that the investigative arm of Congress will take a look at the election as a whole - and at some allegations of irregularities specifically. The Government Accountability Office has announced that it will undertake an investigation of the Nov. 2 vote. "

"They will doubtless find some problems. No one is claiming that the vote was perfect. The GAO's findings should be heeded and used to make improvements in future votes. "

"If only the conspiracy theorists would listen, too. "

[texpatriot2004]

53. Geez, it's that "NO ELECTION IS PERFECT" argument again

They sure do get a sound-byte and run with it eh? Just repeat what Rumsfeld and Rice say, "no election is perfect"...we should uncover flaws in the election process while investigating BUT WE SHOULD DO NOTHING ABOUT THEM! Use the info for future elections, RIGHT - LIKE WE DID THIS TIME, that is, use the info collected from 2000 to improve this election. I am not buying this future election garbage. I am not moving on. I am not going to "get over it." This issue will not just go away and fade into the corruption. Sorry Republicans, your party has been infiltrated by parasites and they are destroying the host, getting bigger by the minute. They must be stopped for the sake of America! :grr:

[texpatriot2004]

54. Kick

[planetc]

55. Dear Suzy DeFrancis:

You seem to have missed the degree to which the country came together *before* the election, and now, of course, you want us to ignore the results of the work of hundreds of thousands of concerned, informed Americans. Ain't gonna happen. More than half the country is not gonna let it happen. And you seem to be unaware that more than half the country views the presence of George Bush in the White House as THE greatest challenge the nation faces. But don't worry, help is on the way. And have a nice day!

[texpatriot2004]

59. You tell her planetc! We aren't going quietly.

George W. Bush stole the Whitehouse. The people will bring it back.

[texpatriot2004]

58. kick

[texpatriot2004]

60. kick

[ClassWarrior]

61. and another...

:kick:

NGU.

[texpatriot2004]

62. They should be scared. I hope they feel us right behind them

breathing down their necks. Boo!

[texpatriot2004]

63. kick

[texpatriot2004]

64. Kick

[texpatriot2004]

65. Mufasa, Mufasa, Mufasa - I like hearing that they are scared.

[texpatriot2004]

66. and they are SCARY!

[texpatriot2004]

67. kick

[texpatriot2004]

68. kick

[texpatriot2004]

70. Make the SCARY REPUBLICANS go away!

[rebelskypirate]

71. Kick

[texpatriot2004]

72. How scared are they I wonder?

[texpatriot2004]

73. kick

[texpatriot2004]

74. Kick

[floridadem30]

77. It's not over until every vote is counted

[texpatriot2004]

78. and it's NOT over yet!

[rehema]

82. Some people I know are giving Bush spokesperson the same

response that Dick Cheny gave when Patrick Leahy mentioned Haliburton

[texpatriot2004]

83. I ain't scared, but they should be. I wonder if they are

scared of evidence? They should be. We are gaining on them. I hope they can feel it.

[212demop]

88. the truth is scary if you're on the wrong end of it

Kick!

:)

[texpatriot2004]

92. Yes, if you are on the wrong end of it, scary indeed

The evidence is mounting. The dam is leaking. Rise up. Shout it out. One of Shakespeare's characters said, "Tell the truth and shame the Devil." I like that. I think it applies to the current events. It's better to live without lying.

[212demop]

99. Amen!

[texpatriot2004]

84. kick

[henslee]

89. Yeah, we've got them right where we want them...not. nt

[tngledwebb]

93. Well , we ARE coming together

to address the challenges our nation faces. AND THAT MEANS RECOUNTS!

[texpatriot2004]

94. It's not over! We will not go quietly this time.

[liberal al zib]

95. Oh

yeah, they are shitting in their pants.

[texpatriot2004]

98. kick

[Debbie13]

103. Same think was on today about 7:00 pm

Something about what Lincoln had said about let's all come together as a country.

Not until there is a complete and thorough investigation!!!!

[Jo March]

105. Oh, okay then. It's over folks. Everybody hear Ms. DeFuckface?

Go on home. Nothing to see here, you lookie lous. Nothing to see here.

[suziedemocrat]

106. Isn't this like a rapist

telling the victim to "lay back and enjoy it?"

[texpatriot2004]

107. You know, I think it might be, no offense to any victims of rape

but it's definitely a power play by a bully no less.

[texpatriot2004]

108. They are getting louder, we must have hit a nerve.

I think they are worried...and scared.

[Emit]

109. Interesting analogy...

What a coinky-dink. I just posted this on "What Did You Learn" thread. I think it warrants a repeat here.

http://mathewgross.com/blog/archives/001041.html

"

Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the new language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, “Why did they beat me?”

And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.

They will tell you, every single day.

The answer is quite simple. They beat us because they are abusers."

[dzika]

110. Judge to rule Tuesday on part of challenge to Bush victory in Nevada

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/11/29/state1956EST0121.DTL

Judge to rule Tuesday on part of challenge to Bush victory in Nevada

SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer
Monday, November 29, 2004

-snip-
A judge intends to decide Tuesday whether to allow a legal
challenge to move forward aimed at blocking Nevada's five
electoral votes from being cast next month for President
Bush.

Washoe County District Judge Peter Breen said Monday he's
considering setting an evidentiary hearing to determine
whether there are grounds to keep the votes from Bush -- who
carried Nevada by 21,500 votes -- due to allegations of voter
registration fraud and claims some voting machines
malfunctioned.

-snip-
"President Bush is claiming he has a mandate and included in
that is that the state of Nevada stood behind him. Even if
Nevada's five electoral votes will not change the election, it
does have an impact on whether Nevada is part of that
mandate," Dickerson said.

`If there are disenfranchised voters who were illegally
disenfranchised ... then those voters are not having their
will voiced," he said.

[Must_B_Free]

112. come together to address the challenges our nation feces

[dzika]

113. Photos from Demonstration in CA

Take a look at the photos from a demonstration in California

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/11/1707625.php


-snip-
"The demonstration, organized by the Wellstone Democratic Club of Silicon Valley, and by The Dean Democratic Club of Silicon Valley, was to protest the Media's near complete silence concerning voting irregularities in the 2004 presidential election."