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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:55 PM
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Countdown to Countdown: Keith coming in 5...
5...
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:57 PM
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1. thanks. n/t
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:58 PM
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3. 3...
3...

Saw multiple threads too... lol

we are just too fast for our own good sometimes. :)

- G
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:59 PM
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4. 2...
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:59 PM
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6. 1...
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:58 PM
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2. 4...
4 minutes
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shesemsmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 06:59 PM
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5. yips
I talked the hubby into cleaning the carpets. The TV is off and the kid asleep in the other room where there is a TV. Keep me posted please
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:02 PM
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And here's Keith!
Yeah!!!!!!! :)
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:02 PM
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7. Opening comments:
There will be a report on the GAO investigation.
Also, Zogby will be on.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:04 PM
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8. I wrote to Zogby
And Asked him to get vocal about the media blackout. After all, his reputation is at stake.
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:07 PM
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9. You have alot of influence.
Maybe you could write to Blackwell and ask him to resign.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:08 PM
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11. LOL! No influence, was just so pissed off!
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:37 PM
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27. Did he respond? n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:43 PM
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34. No, but he just said thousands emailed him to get involved! :)
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:07 PM
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10. Thanks for any summaries! We cancelled cable after the "election"
;-)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:14 PM
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12. KO said that the GEO WILL investigate the presidental election (opening
statement)--more to come
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shesemsmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:19 PM
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16. thanks waiting patiently
:pals:
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:33 PM
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23. Paraphrased of course:
There are now 14 signatories to the GAO letter demanding an investigation into electronic voting (irregularities), and he said there would be one.
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:38 PM
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29. more:
Polls say 8 out of 10 people think election was fair.
NYTimes poll, bush approval rating at 51%.
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:45 PM
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36. additional info, paraphrased:
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 07:48 PM by life_long_dem
Zogby:exit polls can't be used as a barometer for election results.
KO: Will recount be useful?
Z: Yes, but it's not enough, we have to restore the integrity of elections.
KO:Was there voting irregularities?
Z: not on a grand scale.
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:47 PM
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38. "Not on a grand scale" MY A$$!!!!
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:56 PM
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49. Zogby qualified the statement somewhat...
Hi all,

Zogby did say that exit poll results aren't enough, and that one needs to look at the sample, the methodology, etc. when gauging the external validity of the process.

I hope this comment encourages these pollsters to turn over their data for collegiate review. I still don't think it is even remotely possible that the exit polling was so far off, but if I am write, a collegiate review would only help support that hypothesis.

Does anybody know off-hand who conducted these exit polls?

Warmly,

George
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:02 PM
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53. Hi Geo, it was Miftosky (spell?) and some other name -can't remember
offhand sorry.
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TennisGuy2004 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:11 PM
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57. Gee, they only had 4 years to get it right.
The exit pollsters, as far as I'm aware, changed their methodology somewhat from the year 2000. I was under the impression that they had improved their methods. And the exit polls have never been farther off!
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:14 PM
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13. Zogby?
Did Keith say he was going to talk about our exit polls or the Ukraine
exit polls, did any one catch that?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:16 PM
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14. the US exit polls
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:18 PM
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15. Thanks
this should be very interesting!!!!
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:19 PM
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17. Apt commentary on the state of things...
The Bush voters as the primary viewers of "Desperate Housewives". These people are just a bunch of hypocrites, "moral values" my ass.

Of course I grew up in the heart of the Bible belt, so I've known that all of my life.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:21 PM
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18. He pointed to Pew polls
that listed "other" as the main concern for voters, not morals. He also said if you can't believe the exit polls, you can't believe that voters voted on moral values. Mmmm. Gooood.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:31 PM
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20. KO said that 14 Congressmen got their answer--YES to the investigation
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:36 PM
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25. 14% for moral values, when given a test (list) vs multiple choice
30% other, ? 18% iraq war economy next, then moral values! I hope a lot of B* voters saw this, and Dems who are so worried about how to change issues to reflect 'moral values'; I knew this was spin the first time I heard it. And I can't stand to hear it-morality mandate from the immoral. Well, the hypocrites and the cheating Diebolical machines (s)elected him again.
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:31 PM
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19. What is he saying?? Pleeeese!
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BobMorr Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:32 PM
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21. Zogby coming on soon!
Keith said he would be interviewing Zogby.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:32 PM
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22. patience please--the big story is yet to come--just teasers thus far
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:34 PM
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24. OMG I can't take suspense !!
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shesemsmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:38 PM
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28. nor I
damn dirty carpets anyway :grr:
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BobMorr Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:39 PM
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30. Great comparison!
Exit polling comparison on the Ukraine!
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:37 PM
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26. Did the red/blue state map show behind Keith show NM as blue?
I could have sworn that's what I just saw. Anyone else notice?
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shesemsmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:39 PM
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31. cant be i heard some one say Kerry lost the state by less
than 6000
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:41 PM
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33. Interesting
Zogby so far is interesting. But, he is saying he was wrong (RE: Kerry winning) ~ which I disagree with. When will we know a definitive answer to Ohio?

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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:47 PM
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37. That's what I thought too, and its what the NM SoS site says. But I could
swear the map showed it blue! Maybe it was the 2000 map? Didn't Gore win NM? But that would be odd.
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BobMorr Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:40 PM
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32. NM is blue!
Yes, thought NM was blue all the time!!
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:50 PM
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42. yes it did!! n/t
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:55 PM
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47. Do you think its just another case of Keith playing with our minds, as he
seems to enjoy doing? I bet that's it.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:32 PM
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59. Yes it definitely showed New Mexico as blue on the map behind KO
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:21 PM
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61. I swear he must do things like that because he reads DU and likes to see
the reaction he gets. Wave and say, "Hi Keith!"
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:43 PM
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35. Zogby...."We are NOT I REPEAT NOT crazy for asking!"
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:49 PM
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39. I'm New To D.U.
But I am very interested in the entire process & I really love Keith Olbermann. He is the best. I have really enjoyed his coverage of this entire thing. Even last week when he was on vacation!! His continued blogging was great. I'm so happy there is a place to go and talk to like minded people who are at least open to the idea that yet another election was high jacked.

Oh, and can we talk about that barf bag Joe Scarborough? (sp?)
He's set to do a show tonight on Dan Rather's decision to retire (Which I think is probably in some way connected to those Bush Documents) and I am sure it will be a democratic smear piece.
I wont watch his (Scarborough) show, but, I saw the commercial.

And while I'm at it........ I dont like John McCain anymore either. Did any of you catch that Bush puppet on Meet the Press on Sunday?
Ridiculous.

Oh.... last thing. Can someone let me know what n/t means?


Thanks!
Jenna

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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:50 PM
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41. Welcome to DU , nt means no text :)
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:52 PM
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44. n/t = no text. So you don't think they forgot to type something.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:52 PM
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45. Welcome to DU, Jenna!
I'm pretty new myself so I'll let someone who knows the ropes better than I answer your questions. But I do agree, its wonderful to be able to come here and express one's beliefs.
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:56 PM
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48. Thanks
For explaining the NT thing to me!
It was making me nuts.

Jenna
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:36 PM
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60. Welcome from another relatively new DU person
:hi: :toast: B-) :7 :D :) :-) :party: :headbang:
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:49 PM
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40. But he wasn't too encouraging
by saying he was wrong. Dang!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:02 PM
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54. what did Zogby say he was wrong about?
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:51 PM
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43. The news out of New Hampshire isn't heartening
If the electronic machines aren't responsible for the shift then what is? Again, I don't really trust Nader all that much. He is on the FOX payroll after all. They published his books and gave him a campaign donation.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:57 PM
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51. That made me say
several ugly words I'm not typing here!!
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:00 PM
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52. about N.H. and optiscan...
Hi all,

The data from the polls doesn't necessarily mean the votes were properly counted. Although unlikely, something else could have gone awry.

Stay sharp and don't take any answer as conclusive unless it truly is. :)

Warmly,

George
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TennisGuy2004 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:21 PM
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58. Doesn't anyone find it odd...
that the Nader camp is now saying that the recount in New Hampshire won't be finished until after Thanksgiving?

It seems odd.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:54 PM
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46. Was it me or did Zogby just talk himself in circles
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 07:54 PM by The Flaming Red Head
He called the election for Kerry based on the 51% dissatisfied in the president's job and then remarked on the anomaly present because the undecideds didn't break for Kerry and how unusual that was and then said he didn't think it was wide spread fraud.

I think he's just protecting his business interest.
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:56 PM
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50. I dont know
about Zogby talking himself in circles, but I know he talked my brain in circles. As the interview went on I was like---- um, what?

Jenna
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pixelthief Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:06 PM
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55. Sandwhich lady
The "Sandwhich lady" interview was pure comedic gold.

For those of you that missed it, he interviewed the lady that just sold a grilled cheese on ebay for $28,000. She was apparently convinced that it bore the likeness of the virgin mary herself. So she auctioned it off, and it was purchased by an online casino.

Gold.

Favorite Keith quote: "And by 'her' do you mean the sandwhich?"
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:08 PM
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56. Virgin Mary with fries, please
That interview was so funny. Keith is so hilarious.
She sold it to Golden Palace.com and I guess they are putting the picture of the sandwich on all their merchandise? lol.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:57 PM
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63. Sandwich lady is some kinda ugly.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:56 PM
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62. Here's everything I got with Zogby to tide you over
until video and transcript.

Zogby!

Q: Is it appropriate to use exit polls as barometer?
An exit poll like any polls are samples. I don't know what happened with exit plls. More transparency in terms of sampling. I don't think they can be used as barometer for accuracy of election unless we find out something is broken with exit polling themselves.

Q: 3 weeks later what do you think?
Basically the polls were for the most part right. I got all but two states right, one was a tie. I based a prediction that I thought on the fact that undeciddes would break against the incument - I was wrogn.

Q: Ohio recount? useful or no?
It will be usesful but it's not enough. I called this election, for months, the "armageddon election." One of the things we discovered throughout our polling is that there were going to be significat numbers on both sides that were not going to accept the legitamacy of this election. Not good enough for one guy to say he's got political capital. Let's study what happened wtih this election. Let's come out with legitimate conclusion by a blue ribbon panel. Twenty percent don't think the election is legit. About half of the other side don't think he's legit. That hasn't existed for a long time. We need to restore semblance of legitimacy and honor to our citizens.

Q: Can you reassure them they're not crazy for asking?
It's not just those who are far out- it's many respectable responsible people. To the thousasnds of people who are emailing me to get involved, I think it's in the interests of healing this country and restoring some unity in ths country for us to have a thorough investigation about what happened to the electon and to polls. election exit pollsters should release data and methoddology.

Q: Anything amiss?
Not on a grand scale but any system is not geared toward a close election like this. Nine percent don't think their vote was counted accurately -- that's many millions of people.

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