Recount efforts in Ohio by Kerry intensify

[StlMo]

Recount efforts in Ohio by Kerry intensify


"We have 17,000 lawyers working on this, and the grassroots accountability couldn't be any higher -no (irregularity) will go unchecked. Period," Kerry spokesman David Wade said.

...

In the 11 Ohio counties that have finished checking provisional ballots cast in the presidential election, 81 percent have turned out to be valid. It is too early to know whether the ballots have benefited Bush or Kerry because counties first need to determine their validity before conducting the count.

...

"Kerry should say: 'I was serious about counting every vote," Zeese said. "'The reports of problems on Election Day raise serious questions that need to be fully reviewed. I am instructing my lawyers to provide support to those urging review of the vote count and my campaign is available to work in any way to make sure the vote count is accurate.'"

...

Lawyers with John Kerry's presidential campaign are gathering information from Ohio election boards about uncounted ballots and other unresolved issues from last week's election, according to a Plain Dealer article published last Thursday.

...

"There has been a justifiable uproar about the major differences between the exit polls in Ohio and Florida and the actual results," writes Sheldon Drobny, a CPA and venture capitalist and co-founder of Air America Radio.

"Democrats and Republicans, who both saw the same exit polls that showed an electoral landslide in favor of Kerry, have confirmed this," he continued. "It is important that people know how accurate random sampling of historical events can be in order for them to understand how unlikely it is that the exit polls were wrong."

"We have a Watergate story here that could give the media a post-election explosive news story that could make the 2000 Florida vote debacle look like small potatoes," Drobny concluded.

DeBar stressed a concession was not legally binding. He also believes a "Constitutional crisis" is about to erupt.

"What he should do is call a national press conference, recite each and every case of apparent fraud and or error that could bear on the outcome," DeBar said. "(Kerry) should remind voters strongly of the 2000 theft of Florida…he should redefine the results, and then redefine himself as someone worthy of challenging them. And he should go to the mat, both legally and politically."

"Call a million-voter rally in D.C, or, better, simultaneously in (New York), D.C, (Boston), L.A., (San Francisco), Cleveland, (Chicago), etc…Hey, maybe there really were only 51 (million) that voted for Kerry and 53 (million) that vote for Bush. Let's see our 51 million in the streets. Better, let Bush and Cheney see 'em.".

...

http://www.northcountynews.com/archives_2004/11-17-04/news5.htm

[senseandsensibility]

1. Whoa!

Don't have time to read it all now, on my way to work. But whoa.

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. The only thing I disagree with here

is this statement:

"What he should do is call a national press conference, recite each and every case of apparent fraud and or error that could bear on the outcome," DeBar said. "(Kerry) should remind voters strongly of the 2000 theft of Florida?he should redefine the results, and then redefine himself as someone worthy of challenging them. And he should go to the mat, both legally and politically."

It would take at least a month to read all the cases of apparent fraud and error.

But this is the best part:

"We have a Watergate story here that could give the media a post-election explosive news story that could make the 2000 Florida vote debacle look like small potatoes," Drobny concluded.

DeBar stressed a concession was not legally binding. He also believes a "Constitutional crisis" is about to erupt.


Drobny is the money man behind Air America Radio. Here we go folks, hang on to your seats.

[ronnykmarshall]

32. Watergate story ..

I love that part too.

This would be the best Chirstmas present ever!

[stellanoir]

3. Does it strike anyone else as a bit odd that. . .

this article came out last Wednesday and this is the first time it's been posted. . . ?

Perhaps I missed it before but I mean, we've all been scrambling for this sort of news.

Truly hope the party follows through.

[dmac]

4. good point - perhaps the poster can lend some insight? n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. This article was cited by Keith Olbermann

This article was mentioned by Keith Olbermann in his blog of yesterday Sunday November 21st.( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/)It was published in my local weekly The North County News, which reaches Northern Westchester County and lower Putnam County in New York, and Keith discovered it That is why it received so little exposure.

[fasttense]

7. The web site looks authentic

They are located in North County (North Town Heights) New York. The subscription secure site worked though I didn't finalize the purchase. They have advertisers and other news features. Looks like they have been on line since 2003. I had seen this before but because it started with such a pessimistic intro and it was so long I didn't read it thoroughly.

It begins with:

"A top-ranking official with Democratic Senator John Kerry's presidential campaign told North County News last week that although unlikely, there is a recount effort being waged that could unseat Republican President George W. Bush."

I focused on "although unlikely", so I didn't read the whole thing because I thought it was just going to rehash what Kerry said in the Fox interview.

I'm pretty sure this is an authentic news report.

[Flying Coyote]

10. Slight correction

>> They are located in North County (North Town Heights) New York

That's Yorktown Heights in Westchester county - I grew up there.

Westchester is just North of NYC, and Yorktown is about an hour N of the city, on the border of affluent Westchester and rather rednecky Putnam county.

The North County News is pretty widely read in that region and has been around for decades. It's actually a lot better than their horrendous 1996-looking website would suggest, though I'm a little surprised to see them doing their own reporting on a national story.

I got caught up in some trouble up there when I was a kid and the NCN was the only local paper that did any decent reporting; all the others simply parroted the lies of the corrupt Republican Sheriff of Putnam County (think Boss Hogg)...who has since been investigated, disgraced, and replaced with a Democrat =)

[fasttense]

24. My mistake, I read it, but wrote it wrong. n/t

[NewYorkerfromMass]

25. Putnam is becoming more liberal nowadays

Real Estate is way up there due to more NYC commuters and a general upgrade of gentry.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

30. I live in North County Newsland

I'm in Westchester, minutes from the Putnam border. I agree, it seems that with property prices going through the roof here, it is becoming more Liberal. Everyone that I know voted for Kerry. In 2000, lawns were paved with Bush signs and not one for Gore. This year I saw no Presidential lawn signs at all. My feeling is that it was a testament to Anybody But Bush.

[Generator]

52. Not to toot my own horn but

Toot toot. I posted this here last Friday, SCOOPING even Olbermann.

(It's called looking up for election fraud stories on the web)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x65067


Then it gets to the homepage when someone up picks it days later. Damn I need to post more serious titles or something.

[Eloriel]

64. It ISN'T the first time it's been posted

Edited: I had accused them of doing nothing, but apparently there has been some movement -- from Olbermann:

SECAUCUS— The headline might be a little expansive since the national headquarters has not yet echoed it, but it's still pretty impressive as it is:

"Kerry/Edwards Campaign Joins Ohio Recount."

The news release was issued this afternoon over the signature of Ohio's Democratic chairman, Dennis White: "As Senator Kerry stated in his concession speech in Boston, we do not necessarily expect the results of the election to change, however, we believe it necessary to make sure everyone's vote is counted fairly and accurately." White called for witnesses, volunteers, and donations.

-- more --

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008

Note, though, that it's still not the NATIONAL Kerry/Edwards campaign.
NOR, in fact, is it in the least bit clear what the hell they ARE doing. Keith's blog says they aren't joining the expanded lawsuit filed by the "Glibs" as he calls them, so what is it they're doing? Not clear. Maybe someone can look up the press release with the headline so inflaming hopes and passions here.

[4democracy]

79. The link to press release,http://www.ohiodems.org/index

[Dark Secret]

66. The Odd Thing is Why Didn't They React Right After Nov 2nd? n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. i agree with what Nader said toKerry "keep your promise and count every

vote"

[jdog]

8. I found the Drobny piece

through zogby's site last week.

[Stargazer09]

9. I've been waiting for news like this!

I was beginning to think that Kerry was going to just roll over and accept the results of the election. I'm glad to see that he's still in the fight!

Personally, I'd rather have it kept quiet, which would make it more stunning when the real results from Ohio (and maybe Florida, too) are announced.

[KurtNYC]

11. A fact I had overlooked from 2000...

Former Vice President Al Gore conceded in his 2000 battle with Bush for the White House before demanding recounts,...

[merh]

29. I have been saying this all along, I remember the news coverage

of the call, then all the talking heads whining that Gore should not cause all the trouble cause he had conceded. :shrug:

[wildflower]

12. WOW! Yay! I don't know what else to say right now, this is great news. n/t

[Jo March]

13. Tell me where to march and I'll go

I was ready to march on Wednesday morning, Nov. 3rd. I'm still ready to march.

[Jo March]

14. This is great news indeed.

I have been waiting patiently. I'm glad that it came out in a small market newspaper instead of USA Today or something. Let those Repubs be complacent.

That's right, guys. Nothing to see here. Just trying to count every vote. Not trying to overturn anything. Just go about your war-mongering.

[gorbal]

15. We should present more lists to people to illustrate what is going on

I mean

1.The president of Diebold said he was going to deliver the election to George Bush.

2. Massive differences between the exit polls and the final vote in the three major swing states, in comparison to other states where they were pretty much the same.

3. The fact that these "irregularities" favor Bush every time.

4. The many reports of possible fraud, voter suppression, and thrown away votes.

5. The fact that people were predicting this would happen "FOUR YEARS AGO"

What are some good lists on-line that deal with "Hard Evidence"?

[goclark]

18. We need flyers that we can stick up everywhere

Little urban stickers will do the job.
If the media won't get the message out , we will

Who can think of quick start ones?

[sunnystarr]

46. You can find flyers at www.bigpath.net

www.bigpath.net

They're available for downloading.

[CrispyQ]

49. These flyers are great!!! Thanks for the link!!

[goclark]

69. Txs I found one that is excellent!

I am also looking for little two liners.

I'll try to make some tonight.

[impeachthescoundrel]

84. I agree completely

You have written my exact sentiments. I am one of those high strung individuals who has been slapped in the face by the theft of yet another election. I can hardly wait to see him impeached and disgraced.

:nopity:

[sutioc]

16. first post here kid . . . yee haw!

hey you all HERE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN ALL DO TO RAISE AWARENESS . . .

check out this tactic . . . if you have not already seen it!

http://www.freewayblogger.com/

although i live in a very blue area i am still posting signs around town . . . on the community billboards at the stores, laundry etc . . .:tinfoilhat:

[politicasista]

17. Is this real?

:crazy:

[IAMREALITY]

22. Why Wouldn't It Be?

I did that myself even, but unfortunately they took it down inside of an hour.

In any case it is a great idea!

Welcome to DU SUTIOC!!! :toast:

[rockedthevoteinMA]

20. wow...I live in the bluest state of all -

but I didn't realize there was so much going on as far as freeway signs go. I think that's a great idea! I have been putting signs up though.

[mahina]

21. aloha sutioc,

Welcome to DU!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

23. Ya-hoo! Great tactic!

I've been having my fun by printing fliers and posting them all around, but your idea rocks!:hippie:

[rndmprsn]

33. welcome to DU

[The Doctor.]

44. Those signs are great!

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[RagingInMiami]

59. love that website

Are there any Miami DUers who want to join me in placing signs down here?

[yorkiemommie1]

70. me, too

me and my little pad of sticky notes, in restroom stalls, fitting rooms, shopping carts, mall benches....

....on those postage paid cards we all get in the mail...goes a little message about the LIAR

.....writing little notes on my outgoing mail envelopes

this is my little hobby for the next four, or more, years.

[maryallen]

19. I like this guy, DeBar:

"What he (Kerry) should do is call a national press conference, recite each and every case of apparent fraud and or error that could bear on the outcome," DeBar said. "

Who is this guy?
If we had a thousand like him, we could change this country.

[renate]

28. I think that would be fabulous

because it's one thing to recite dry statistics, but to issue a long list naming each and every precinct that had problems would have a bigger impact. Not only would it show the scope of the problem, the local news stations and newspapers could just go to the list and do the "local interest" story on their own precincts.

I suspect, unfortunately, that the list of cases of apparent fraud would be too long for Kerry to be the one to name them. They need to save him for the short and sweet sound bites. But I definitely agree that a list of the individual cases would be an excellent way to get attention from the local media outlets.

[ctsteve]

26. First Hand Reports from Ohio Volunteers

I am new. Could someone please make this a topic.
Thanks

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/21/221351/52

Ray Beckerman
Beldock Levine & Hoffman LLP
99 Park Ave (Ste 1600)
New York, NY 10016

[jdog]

27. Freeway signs

Sutioc: What a great first post!!!!

:yourock:

[angrydemocrat]

31. Way To Go Mass.

KERRY :yourock:




Wish he was our Senator. Instead we get stuck with Frist. :puke:


I think it is time to move. LOL


Hopefully you guys in Mass. will have to share him soon when he

becomes President Kerry! :loveya:

[politicasista]

34. Angrydemocrat, You live in Tennessee?

He should be our senator too. Frist is a joke! I am glad Kerry carried our county. Too many ignorant people around here.

[angrydemocrat]

35. Yes

Johnson City, TN.

[Kindigger]

37. Can someone remind me.....

.....81% of provisional ballots are valid.

How many are there?

[rdmccur]

39. exit polls analysis

Everyone should read Steve Freeman's latest analysis of the exit polls' discrepancies: http://www.appliedresearch.us/sf/
In particular, in the case of Ohio, pay particular attentiaon to Figure 1. and note Kerry's advantage with the non-white voters. Here is where the republicans could likely have targeted their fraud efforts, if fraud were indeed perpetrated. We need computer scientists, statisticians, and lawyers to investigate this especially!

[intheflow]

50. They're working on it.

Legions of staticians and lawyers are working on it, at any rate. The Comp-Sci guys can't really do much until/if they ever get their hands on the machines, can they?

So rest assured that people are definately on the numbers and nuances in Ohio.

And welcome to DU! :hi:

[caligirl]

40. Sent this article to the local ABC news station here in SF bay area

[pbartch]

53. Are these good email addresses to send information to?

I got them someplace, I don't remember where

([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected]), ([email protected])

[Turn CO Blue]

62. Welcome to DU! I posted your dkos diary.

Here it is:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x5100>

[Doohickie]

36. Most of this is not "news" as such.

Reports of ongoing counts and possible recounts are news. The remainder, comparing this situation to Watergate and predicting a Constitutional crisis, are speculation, editorializing and propaganda.

I do not mean to say the real news is not coming. But this, I hope, isn't it. It's too partisan and not substantive enough. An unbiased moderate would consider this left wing propaganda and little more.

I hope this is the stirring of the winds before the storm.

:)

[InvisibleTouch]

38. Million-Voter Rally!

Just tell me when and where. I'm there. And I will haul people with me.

[ccarter84]

63. million voter rally

i'm a student in d.c. and on a college campus...if we have a rally
i'm there with atleast the 200+ kerry folks on campus

[katinmn]

67. Rally, yeah!

But it's up to us to organize.
This is truly a grassroots uprising.

[Voltaire99]

41. Kerry should "call a national press conference"

LOL!

Don't hold your breath.

Kerry is going to quietly melt back into the insider world of government of, by and for corporations. On the morning of November 4 it was clear that his and Edwards' careers outweighed pesky matters such as uncounted votes.

[demo dutch]

48. I think you're wrong ... read Betsy R. Vasquez piece in the Moderate

Independent and see if you agree with her point of view.
Calling a national press conference would be the dumbest thing to do!

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm

[Stargazer09]

60. Oh Boy!

That article is absolutely brilliant! I had been thinking that I can't be the only Democrat who wondered why Kerry conceded the election so quickly, and I am so glad to know that there is hope for us, after all.

Let's just hope things will turn out our way.

In the meantime, let's support our troops! :grouphug:

[jmatthan]

42. "Don't leave Independence Square until victory"

That is the rallying cry of Viktor Yushchenko at the centre of Ukraine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4031981.stm

"We are launching an organised movement of civil resistance," he said, denouncing what he called the "total falsification" of the vote...

Do I hear such a cry anywhere near this in the US?

If not, then I think the country deserves Bush as its leader.

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[bobbieinok]

85. 2 problems in US.....a view from OK

--US is VERY large; if we could easily get everyone concerned together in one place, it would be huge....when there are gatherings in SF, Chicago, DC, where ever, it's easier for media to ignore than if all those people were in one place

--there is a real inability on the part of most Americans, even here, to believe that the election has been stolen a 2nd (3rd, if you look at GA 2002) time .... most of us at bottom want to believe 'stuff like election theft happans in other countries, not in modern-day America'

how do we overcome this??? in some ways, I think point one is harder to deal with.....people with maybe a little concern might begin to wake up if they saw massive, every day protest in one place

[WI_DEM]

43. so far the provisional ballots have favored Bush

but they may be from rural counties.

[pointsoflight]

45. Just a small percentage counted, and they're from repub strongholds

[SillyGoose]

47. Good news!

Lord knows, we could use some good news right about now.

:bounce:

[LIBERALNAVYVET]

51. HERE WE GO

I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS TO OCCUR. WE ALL NEED TO PERSISTENT AND PROSECUTE EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THE THEFT OF "PRESIDENT KRYY'S" VICTORY.

[UrbScotty]

54. If the media were liberal, they'd be reporting this. (nt)

[bush_is_wacko]

57. Actually...

If the media is on Kerry's side they will keep it quiet long enough to keep the right-wingnuts smug. Can you imagine the surprise when and if this gets out. If they know about it they will only make life miserable for the rest of us and drag us all through another Florida style media battle. Maybe the media and Kerry are doing the public a service by not broadcasting this all over the place. they are certainly doing the Dem party a service. this way the repubs can't trash him if it doesn't pan out!

[bush_is_wacko]

55. I have been patiently waiting for this news to break.

:bounce: :bounce:

I have been quietly waiting for this story to break. Kerry has excellent investigative skills. It is very smart to keep this thing as quiet as possible. Hopefully, none of them are paying attention. It would be great to see the surprise on their faces when their fearless leader is exposed!

[Name removed]

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[Carolab]

58. THIS HEADLINE IS TOTALLY MISLEADING!

This is more Nader vs. Kerry.

Kerry is NOT doing what he promised and Nader is pointing out that he IS and so are Cobb and Badnarik.

Nader is right.

Kerry is WRONG if he isn't doing what Cobb and Badnarik and Nader are all doing--getting RECOUNTS

[su01]

61. Check Olbermann's Latest Blog

• November 22, 2004 | 5:06 p.m. ET

Ohio Dems join recount effort (Keith Olbermann)



SECAUCUS— The headline might be a little expansive since the national headquarters has not yet echoed it, but it's still pretty impressive as it is:

"Kerry/Edwards Campaign Joins Ohio Recount."

The news release was issued this afternoon over the signature of Ohio's Democratic chairman, Dennis White: "As Senator Kerry stated in his concession speech in Boston, we do not necessarily expect the results of the election to change, however, we believe it necessary to make sure everyone's vote is counted fairly and accurately." White called for witnesses, volunteers, and donations.

The statement ends nearly three weeks of official Democratic ambivalence towards the formal recount process in the election's decisive state. As late as Friday, Senator Kerry's email to 3,000,000 supporters contained a seemingly ambiguous reference to that process, which began with the phrase "Regardless of the outcome of this election, once all the votes are counted, and believe me they will be counted, we will continue to challenge the administration."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

[Stew225]

65. What can I say that hasn't already been said

about this ray of hope? Kerry on!

[rdmccur]

68. Bev Harris

Bev has a new post at blackboxvoting and promises more tomorrow

[jdj]

72. this feels to me like they are so out of touch with us

they were waiting for a groundswell??

they wanted us to do all the work, and if anything floated to the top they would scoop it up and run...

I KNOW Edwards wanted to fight, Kerry is such a millionaire he probably could give a flip.

[Swede Atlanta]

71. Why doesn't any mainstream media pick this up?

I am appalled, but not surprised, that the mainstream media has failed to pick up on this story. Maybe for Kerry and his team, subtelty is part of the plan but it amazes me that in surfing the various legacy network evening news shows (ABC,CBS,NBC), Public Broadcasting, and the talking heads on the cable news networks (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) there was not a single report of recount efforts.

They reported today on NPR about the voting irregularities in the Ukranian presidential election yesterday. What about the voting irregularities in Florida, Nevada and Ohio? Up until this election I held out hope that at least NPR and its sister operations within the Public Broadcasting family would shine a beacon of light into an otherwise dark chasm that has enveloped the fourth estate.

I can only hope this report is true and that at least people are made aware that there was widespread voter disenfranchisment and that most of it appears to have been driven by and benefitted the most corrupt members of the Republican party.

[malaise]

73. Exit Polls

Isn't it interesting that the Europeans are skeptical about the results of the Ukraine election given the divergence between exit polls and the results yet there is deafening silence (even from BBC)re the US election. Thankfully a few US academics take their disciplines seriously enough to have presented their analyses on the discrepancies.

The comparisons are almost comical. Every where on the globe exit polls are taken as gospel. The network media should hang their collective heads in shame.

[rdmccur]

76. Exit polls

Pretty scary to me. Also very sad.

[Catherine Vincent]

74. Some of them have picked it up, but briefly.

And when they did talk about it, it was ridiculed and labeled as conspiracy theories.

Fucking media!

[Coltrane]

75. Keith Olbermann on Ohio recount/ Video clip

Kerry/Edwards Campaign Joins Ohio Recount."

"As Senator Kerry stated in his concession speech in Boston, we do not necessarily expect the results of the election to change, however, we believe it necessary to make sure everyone's vote is counted fairly and accurately." White called for witnesses, volunteers, and donations.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ has the video clip if anyone hasn't seen it.

[dsmo]

78. Still waiting

I'm still desperately hoping for a miracle Kerry win at this point.

[4democracy]

77. Kerry/Edwards participate in Ohio recount... seeks volunteers

the Democratic party are the ones asking for volunteers to help with recount.
Has everyone seen this article @http://www.ohiodems.org/index.php?08 It is dated Nov.22, 2004




edited for clarification

[talk hard]

80. Keep Counting

It's hard not to be optimistic as this recount ensues. But I wonder in the end what will happen. I can't even imagine BushCo relinquishing power even if it is proved they didn't get the most votes. As a matter of fact, they don't give a crap that the votes haven't been all counted yet. Yet another coup d'etat appears complete ... unless the perseverance of the folks in Ohio and perhaps Florida uncover enough votes. I am still hopeful, cautiously.

[s-cubed]

81. Metgdia Lockdown has been positive

At first, I was upset about the media lockdown, but now I realize that it was to our advantage. And it makes sense that Kerry would concede and lie low. By now, the evidence of irregularies and fraud has accumulated to the point that there will be no doubt.. I personally think that Cobb has been working behind the scene with Kerry, (probably not Nader - he's too much of an egoist), and that when it blows it will really blow big. Blowing big will be far better than trickling out. With a volcanic eruption of information that clearly demonstrates fruad, the media will be able to cover it in only one way: crime, and they will love it. At that point, they won't have to be beholden to their advertisers and funders. Likewise, many rep senators & congressmen who love their country (and they exist) will denounce their own party. Hang on for the ride!

[Arkana]

82. I knew it

It was too easy to think he'd thrown in the towel. It's good to know he won't go down without a fight, even if it's behind the scenes.

[goclark]

83. Let's March!

Keep gaining information.

The graph or data that you provide just could be the smoking gun.


Kepp working.

We are the Worker Bees!

[NicRic]

86. Will this ever get attension from the main stream media ?

Iam a patient person and have been waiting patiently to hear something about whats going on in Ohio ! They just held an election in another country in which the outcome is being ?, and we hear about that country's delema as one of the top news stories of the day ? I've been hoping since the election on nov 2nd ,that this story would get some legs, so far most Americans,Dems and repugs ,dont even know anythnig about this ! What will be the topic at Thanksgiving dinners accross our country, it certainly wont be what I wish it would be about. Instead someone will say ,oh did you hear about the fixed election in that other country , good thing our 2004 election went so smoothly ! I dont think Iam going to have a very good appetite this thanksgiving ,I certainly am not thankful that we have to endure another four years of bush & company. In fact I've had a knot in my stomach since Nov 3rd and it does'nt appear any releif is in site !

[gorbal]

87. Awesome

I am glad they are joning the effort finally. I am glad that House Democrats are trying to contest as well, and Ohio Democrats are suing...stuff is happening people's:)