Cybernet is all the same company? I need Du'er research help

[AnIndependentTexan]

I'm not going to say for sure yet, but we have reason to believe that. I want to research it first before anything is said for sure or proven. I want everyone to be rational and careful on this.

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&SIC=7374&owner=include

neither company show up as Corporation divisions.The numbers don't exist it says

http://www.cis.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/sr_corp.asp

[AnIndependentTexan]

1. Stryon's website says

"We leverage our powerful line of STS software products and our Distributed Software Manufacturing infrastructure to help clients migrate existing enterprise applications to run on Unix, Linux, and Microsoft.NET servers, bridge between applications running on Microsoft and Unix / Linux platforms, and develop new, mission-critical web applications. " http://www.stryon.com/

This website links to CyberNET Group at http://www.stryon.com/
The CyberNET Group
25 South Division Avenue
Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
[email protected]

Cybernet's website at http://www.cybernet.com/ shows that it is located at
Cybernet Systems Corporation
727 Airport Blvd.
Ann Arbor, MI 48108-1639 USA

Their website even warns:
"PLEASE NOTE!
We're Cybernet Systems -- not Cybernet Ventures, Cyber.Net, Cybernet Manufacturing, or any of a dozen companies with the name "Cybernet" somewhere in them. If you're not sure if we're the right Cybernet, please check our handy "Which Cybernet?" guide before writing. It might save you some time and trouble!"

[mcg]

14. Link to "Which Cybernet Should I Write?"

http://www.cybernet.com/info/cybernet.html

"We are not Cybernet Ventures, Cyber.Net, Cybernet Manufacturing, or any of dozens of companies with the name "Cybernet" in them somewhere -- we're Cybernet Systems. In fact, we aren't even affiliated with any of these companies."

[Ardee]

2. short search reveals only

http://www.cybernetsoft.com/

[AnIndependentTexan]

3. What can we learn from this learn of partners

Cybernet Systems Corporation
727 Airport Blvd.
Ann Arbor, MI 48108-1639 USA

http://www.cybernet.com/partners/index.html

Sparton Electronics

Jerry Fain Models, Inc.

Immersion Corporation

Tesseraction Games

International Business Machines

Ford Motor Company

The Boeing Company

Ampex Data Systems

[AnIndependentTexan]

5. Stryon Portfolio

http://www.halcyonsoft.com/portfolio.asp?s=1

The Boeing Company

Ritchie Bros. Auctioneers

ISES Corporation

Pepsi-Cola Corporation

Support.com

The Limited

CGI Group Inc

[AnIndependentTexan]

7. Stryon Partners

http://www.halcyonsoft.com/company.asp?s=5

Stryon has strategic alliances with many leading software and hardware companies, including:

Compaq

Advanced Systems Concepts

Set Focus

Rightvision

Mandrakesoft

Zeus Technology

ASP EXPRESS

COREL Linux community

SuSE

[eowyn_of_rohan]

4. CyberNET ...here we go again

I was also suspicious that the Grand Rapids Cybernet might be one and the same with some of the others we were finding. Both Cyberco and Diebold are mentioned in a Michigan government "List of Vendor Exemptions, Suppliers & Exemptions (11/05/2004 02:02 PM)", as (it appears to me anyway) being a supplier to Greektown casino, which is in Detroit, but Greektown also has what seems to be a pretty extensive online gambling business, too:

Vendor Registration Short Form ($600 - $49,999)
CYBERCO HOLDINGS INC (d/b/a CynerNet Engineering) - Grand Rapids, MI 49503 - (#25-002815-2004) (Greektown Casino, L.L.C.)

Vendor Registration Application (over $50,000)
DIEBOLD, INCORPORATED - North Canton, OH 44720 - (#25-001583-2002) (Greektown Casino, L.L.C.)

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Vendorlist_9219_7.doc

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The following shows they have a strong connection to the "Entertainment" and media industries, which is not mentioned in most of the company info I have seen online.

http://www.varbusiness.com/sections/apps/2003v500_displaydetails.jhtml?VAR2003_RK=122
Company Details: CyberNET Group (The)
....
Address 25 S Division Ave
City Grand Rapids
State MI
Zip 49503
Phone [phone]
Country US
URL www.cybernetgroup.com
Year Founded 1989
Primary Business Systems Integrators Including But Not Limited To Telecom And Computer Telephony Integration Services

Corporate Structure Private
.....
Primary Technology Vendors
(up to five) Wyse
Stryon
Citrix
Microsoft
Cisco
Primary Distributors
(up to five) Ingram Micro
Avnet
TechData

Technologies Sold
(up to five) Application Integration Software and Middleware
Enterprise Applications
Network Systems Management
Networking (LAN/WAN/Internet/etc.)
Storage Management Software

Key Vertical Industries Served
(up to five) Accounting/Banking/Financial Services
Defense Contractor/Military
Entertainment/Media/Publishing
Healthcare/Medical/Dental/Pharmacy
Manufacturing

Industry Most Served Entertainment/Media/Publishing
Executives Barton Watson, Chairman & CEO
James Horton, President
Steven Gauld, Sr VP - Professional Services
David Roepke, CFO
Mark Harris, Manager Network Operations
Fabian Venter, Sr VP - GLobal Marketing
Scott Sarginson, Sr VP Sales

[eowyn_of_rohan]

6. I believe these may also be the same group

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Graphic Design - Internet Design - Interior Design --
CyberNet Group
Contact: TEHRAN IRAN
Telephone: [phone] fax: E-mail: [email protected]

Website: www.cybernet-co.com
(leads into weird stuff,eg. 1mpactincognito—What'sUp (porn)
... 04.07.26 - 1ntervuincognito featuring Robert Chang. 04.07.08 - 1mpactincognito named Site of The Day at Designers Depot. 04.07.01 - Moved to Ardhosting. ...
1mpact.axisfront.com/whatsup3.htm - 4k - Cached - Similar pages

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Not sure what this is...found a BUNCH of virus alerts that had the name CyberNET in them...

Subject: WARNING - VIRUS ALERT No.36
Date: Saturday, 20 Nov 1999 18:58:00 GMT
W97M/Prilissa is a new Melissa variant. AVERT has assigned it a risk assessment of MEDIUM?ON WATCH. There has been a serious outbreak in Europe, and it is expected to travel quickly.
W97M/Prilissa infects Word 97 files. It propagates itself by creating an MS Outlook email with the subject line "Message From (Word 97 username)" and the message text: "This document is very Important and you've GOT to read this !!!"
It sends this message, with an attached copy of the infected Word 97 file, to the first 50 entries in any address book it finds. It does this only once.
W97M/Prilissa includes a destructive payload! If the date is December 25 of any year, it will modify the AUTOEXEC.BAT file so that the next time the computer is booted, the hard drive will be formatted, causing a loss of all data. In addition, the following message will be displayed in Word 97:
"(C) 1999 - CyberNET
Vine... Vide... Vice... Moslem Power Never End...
You Dare Rise Against Me... The Human Era is
Over, The CyberNET Era Has Come!!!
"
Note: If you are using McAfee Clinic , you should get the update.

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[jdog]

12. Maybe an IT person would

already know something about that virus that carries the infected Word 97 attachment? Maybe its origin info is already known.

[pk_du]

8. Apologies if you already have this one

..CyberNET was strated by Heidi and Dr. Charles Jacobus and one of their first "gigs" was a NASA contract.

http://vesuvius.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/pg112s95.html

as of earlier this year they were only a "50-person small business"

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_27/b3890440.htm

[pk_du]

9. ..Hmmm...looky like they already in some big trouble ( from last week)

http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-3/110079456740490.xml

[BlueDog2u]

10. A few more factoids

CYBERNET INTERNET SERVICES INTERNATIONAL INC (0001070658)


This is the US Securities and exchange commission # for "Cybernet Internet Services." Don't know if that helps because I'm not sure what we're looking for....

This address:

BUSINESS ADDRESS:
STREET 1: POWELL GOLDSTEIN FRAZER & MURPHY
STREET 2: 1001 PENNSYLVANIA AVE NW
CITY: WASHINGTON
STATE: DC
ZIP: 20004
BUSINESS PHONE: [phone]


Comes up in many of the SEC documents filed here.

The company was started in Utah in 1983:

1. Description of Business and Basis of Presentation

Cybernet Internet Services International, Inc. ("Cybernet Inc") (formerly known
as New Century Technologies Corporation) was incorporated under the laws of the
State of Utah on September 27, 1983. Cybernet Inc changed its state of
incorporation to Delaware in November 1998. Effective September 16, 1997 the
Company acquired Cybernet Internet Dienstleistungen AG ("Cybernet AG"), a German
stock corporation which offers a variety of Internet related telecommunication
and systems integration services to corporate customers. Cybernet AG was founded
in December 1995, and commenced significant operations in 1996.

details: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1070658/000092838501501506/0000928385-01-501506.txt

From search on the Michigan Corporation Site:

Entity Name ID Number Type
CYBERNET GROUP INTERNATIONAL, INC.
643414 Corporation
THE CYBERNET GROUP
515281 Assumed Name

*************************************************************

Searched for: CYBERNET GROUP INTERNATIONAL, INC.

ID Num: 643414

Entity Name: CYBERNET GROUP INTERNATIONAL, INC.

Type of Entity: Foreign Profit Corporation
Resident Agent: BARTON H WATSON III

Registered Office Address: 5069 MOUNTAIN RIDGE RD ADA MI 49301
Mailing Address: MI

Formed Under Act Number(s):

Incorporation/Qualification Date: 9-13-2001

Jurisdiction of Origin: DELAWARE

Number of Shares: 100,100

Year of Most Recent Annual Report: 03

Year of Most Recent Annual Report With Officers & Directors:

Status: ACTIVE Date: Present

**************************************************


Searched for: THE CYBERNET GROUP

ID Num: 515281
Assumed Names

Entity Name: CYBERCO HOLDINGS, INC.

Type of Entity: Domestic Profit Corporation
Resident Agent: DAVID ROEPKE

Registered Office Address: 25 S DIVISION AVE GRAND RAPIDS MI 49503
Mailing Address:

Formed Under Act Number(s): 284-1972

Incorporation/Qualification Date: 1-21-1992

Jurisdiction of Origin: MICHIGAN

Number of Shares: 60,000

Year of Most Recent Annual Report: 04

Year of Most Recent Annual Report With Officers & Directors: 04

Status: ACTIVE Date: Present

*****************************************************

Here is a bit on how "New Century Technologies Corporation" became CyberNET-- namely, while still in Utah, they acquired the German company named CyberNET. So, although it is listed legally as a foreign profit corporation in the Michigan State records, it obtained this status through acquisition and merger in 1997:

News Release
Thursday 17 April 1997, 16:57 GMT Thursday 17 April 1997
BUSINESS
New Century Technologies


NEW CENTURY TECHNOLOGIES SIGNS LETTER OF INTENT FOR THE ACQUISITION OF CYBERNET AG


Salt Lake City, Utah, April 17 - New Century Technologies Corp. ("The Company") is pleased to announce that it has signed a letter of intent for the acquisition of 100% of the issued and outstanding stock of CYBERNET AG, a private German corporation ("CYBERNET") which is a leading business Internet provider headquartered in Munich, Germany.


http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=18778

[Roger_Otip]

11. look at the whois records for these sites

go to http://whois.sc and type in the domain name. it'll tell you who the site is registered to.

from doing this it looks like these are different companies - i can't see a link between them. the cybernet that was raided by the FBI is:

http://www.cybernetgroup.com -> http://whois.sc/cybernetgroup.com
http://www.cybernet-usa.com -> http://whois.sc/cybernet-usa.com

Registrant:
 CyberNET Engineering
 25 S Division Ave
 Grand Rapids, MI 49503
 US
 616-913-9000

registered under the same address are:

http://www.halcyonsoft.com -> http://whois.sc/halcyonsoft.com
http://www.stryon.com -> http://whois.sc/stryon.com

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different cybernets:

http://www.cybernet.com - registered in Ann Arbor, MI
http://www.cybernetmedical.com - same

http://www.cybernet-co.com - registered in Tehran

the fact that these are registered under different addresses and hosted on totally different servers by different hosting companies does not necessarily mean there's no connection between them and the cybernet that was raided, but i can't see any connection and would have thought if they wanted to keep their connection secret they wouldn't all call themselves cybernet.

[jdog]

13. Following pk_du's link a bit further, there's an article

with this information, among other:

“Cyberco does business as CyberNET Engineering and CyberNET Group. It sells high-tech services, including data storage and computer security.
1. Separately, on Wednesday, federal agents armed with a search warrant swarmed the company's Grand Rapids offices and seized records as part of a fraud investigation. The Ada home of Cyberco executives Barton Watson and wife, Krista Kotlarz-Watson, also was searched”

http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1100879110270200.xml

[Roger_Otip]

15. krista does tai chi

http://www.geocities.com/hongkongtaichisifu/messagekrista

[BlueDog2u]

16. I think

that is why my data from the Michigan archives suggests also. I merely hesitated to interpret it because I don't really understand what I'm looking at here. But I think you are right. Of course, can one be a subsidiary of the other and they still be registered seperately? Or is that against the law?

[Roger_Otip]

17. there's not much law on the web

anyone can register any website with any registration address (you're supposed to use a valid address, but it's easy not to). i don't know anything about american company laws, it's just i've seen loads of people put time into researching the wrong cybernets - the one that was raided in the one you have there based in grand rapids, MI whose website is http://www.cybernetgroup.com - and you can see from the website it's a serious company, whereas the other cybernets have crappy pathetic websites. i think the reason why there are so many with the same name is if you're setting up an internet company but you don't know what to call it and you don't have much imagination then putting together the words "cyber" and "net" might seem like a brilliant idea.

[jdog]

20. Same company

From this web site: http://www.cybernet-usa.com/corporate.asp

The CyberNET Group
25 South Division Avenue
Grand Rapids, Michigan 49503
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]


from this web site: http://www.mlive.com/news/muchronicle/index.ssf?/base/news-3/110079456740490.xml

comes this info:

The U.S. Attorney General's office coordinated the execution of a pair of search warrants with officials from the FBI, IRS and U.S. Postal Inspector's office at CyberNET's headquarters at 25 S. Division.


These are the same companies we’re talking about here I think.

[jdog]

18. wow! slick web site

http://www.cybernet-usa.com/

Edit:
very slick:

http://www.cybernet-usa.com/corporate.asp

Wow! This company sure seems like it would have the capabilities for some serious computer projects!

[jdog]

19. Anyone who thinks our election could not have been rigged

through the technology should take a look at this website! Just shows what's available out there!

[stirringstill]

21. CyberNet overkill?

Could someone please state the connection of the CyberNet to Fisher because the original email that linked the two really didn't say. Only that CyberNet had been raided by the FBI. Just because a company has been raided by the FBI doesn't mean it is connected. And to say CyberNet was linked to Diebold does not mean much if the two names appear on the same web page. Diebold probably has vending machines that have Coke cans but that does not mean Coke and Diebold are in bed together. What possible service did CyberNet perform?

Also, I've never seen anything linking Blass to CyberNet other than both have links to Michigan. Blass got his PhD in Ann Arbor, but that doesn't seem like much of a link to me. I'm not saying that CyberNet is not important, perhaps it is, but many many other potential rewarding lines of investigation remain unexamined on Piotr Blass CV and this are definitely worth scrutinizing. I do not know what to make of the Fisher story but it does seem promising and Fisher has directly linked Blass to the whatever happened. Blass's CV is striking for several reasons. (1) It places him at BayPoint Schools in '03. (2) Why was Blass employed at Baypoint? It likely had to do with computers but it doesn't take someone of Blass's experience to network the school or run their computer lab. He was way way over qualified. Still that does not mean anything in and of itself since people often find themselves doing things that they are overqualified for. (3) Why did Blass's son become incarcerated in '04 at the very school at which Blass was once employed? (4) If his CV is genuine, then it is striking for several reasons. He went to undergraduate in Poland in the 70's and then went to graduate school at Harvard and the U. Michican. So, Blass apparently emerges from behind the Iron Curtain to receive postgraduate education in the US. He has published a number of academic articles. He has also worked for a number of companies and has a number of computer skills which may be relevent. Perhaps those companies and skills of Blass's are worth mining?


Another blog about the Fisher story made a big to do about Accenture. I do think that that link merits attention, definitely because of connections to voting lists in multiple states and (to a lesser degree Enron). The problem is that Accenture is a BIG company. It's like saying IBM or Microsoft. So, just because one can google Accenture and the name of another company doen't mean much in and of itself.