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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:30 AM
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!!!New optical-scan voting devices confused New Yorkers and led to tossing of 60,000 votes!!!
Edited on Tue Dec-06-11 11:38 AM by kpete
New optical-scan voting devices confused New Yorkers and led to tossing of 60,000 votes

Election gizmos had many residents overvoting, or picking two candidates for one office
BY REUVEN BLAU
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Monday, December 5 2011, 11:08 PM


It wasnt voter fraud that caused 60,000 ballots to be tossed from the 2010 election in New York it was poorly designed voting machines.

According to a study from the New York Universitys Brennan School for Justice,
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/design_de... / the new optical voting system confused voters so much that they ended up casting their votes for two candidates, or overvoting.

The study indicates that most of the problems occurred far more frequently in areas with higher populations of low-income residents, people of color and immigrants.

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For the first time, there were tens of thousands of people who lost their votes on the new system, he said. And we have to make adjustment to make sure we dont see a repeat of this.

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/optical-scan-voting...
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/06/voting-machine-de...
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:34 AM
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1. LONG LIVE ELECTRONIC VOTING AND THEREFORE THE GOP
n/t
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:37 AM
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2. So it works as designed, huh?
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:56 AM
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4. Absolutely. It's easy to design voting machines that eliminate, or create, confusion
Guess which one we pick, every time?
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zacherystaylor Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 11:45 AM
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3. Most fraud is diguised as a mistake
which would mean that it was fraud not a mistake.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 12:37 PM
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5. Just give me back my lever machine
The only thing that works better is pen and paper.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-11 07:08 PM
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6. Bo Lipari and NYVV have a lot to answer for.

But they won't.

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 07:10 PM
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10. Let's be fair. How could they have predicted there would NOT be hand recounts of paper ballots
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 07:28 PM by Bill Bored
counted by computers; or that the computers would ""REALLY SUCK"; or that overvoting, which was a thing of the past (thanks to New York's lever voting system) would return with a vengeance disenfranchising tens of thousands of unsuspecting voters; or that the courts -- not the voters -- would be deciding who won our elections (without hand counting the paper ballots counted by the computers)?

I mean really, let's be fair. How could anyone have predicted all THAT as a result of a simple change like replacing lever voting machines with computers?

That would be like predicting there would be a return of vote switching (which was also a thing of the past thanks to the lever machines).

Do ya expect NYVV to have a crystal ball or something?

If not, then please cut 'em some slack!
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 06:21 PM
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7. Yes, let's all use the machines in the picture connected to this article... iVotronic DREs.

They are soooooooo nice.

:sarcasm:



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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-11 11:34 PM
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8. The picture in the Daily News is a new fangled op scanner, which has a touchscreen!
Edited on Thu Dec-08-11 12:00 AM by Bill Bored
It may smell like a DRE because it creates digital "ballot images" but it's an ES&S DS200 ballot scanner -- the same one that gives the confusing overvote notification, as it did in FL and elsewhere. But New York has out-Floridized Florida by not learning from the Florida experience. Florida had tons of overvotes in 2000 (due to the butterfly ballot) and in 2008 due to these same ballot scanners. New York had the benefit of several warnings, but did not heed them.

This is a recurring nightmare. See Brad Blog:
NY-23: Officials Were Warned, Over and Again, of E-Voting 'Pilot Program' Pitfalls
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7570

And of course NY has had several recent elections resembling Bush v. Gore in which the courts, rather than the voters, got to decide the winners.

Most New Yorkers are really wonderful people once you get to know them, but for the most part, NY's political class and their sycophants are no better than any other state's.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-11 06:44 PM
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9. BTW, what does the "i" in iVotronic stand for anyway? nt
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