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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:30 AM
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Self Delete got what I needed. Thanks.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:32 AM
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1. I do not believe there is a person out there that could
successfully challenge Obama......
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:32 AM
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2. Hey, what happened to the thread?
It was here just a minute ago...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:32 AM
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3. I don't see it happening.
I don't know where you could talk about it.

:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:32 AM
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:35 AM
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5. If you want to discuss it here at DU, has to be another Dem or someone who
Edited on Thu Mar-17-11 12:36 AM by defendandprotect
can run on the Dem ticket --

For instance, Sen. Bernie Sanders is a better democrat than most Democrats --

I think he'd be a fanatastic challenger to Obama in 2012 --

and Sanders could run on the Dem ticket -- Sanders would pull in long time Democrats

who have stopped voting, including those who stopped voting in 2010!!

Plus Sanders would draw liberals from all of the third parties!



And I'd be looking outside the party for anyone who can run on the Dem ticket --

Tom Hayden, for instance. Wm. Greider -- Susan Sarandon --

tons of them.

We need two strong anti-war candidates -- and not anyone who has been pre-bribed

or pre-owned by corporations!!



The Rightwing Koch Bros. Funded the DLC --

http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard...

If you knew this, why didn't you tell us?

If you didn't know it, pass it along!


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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:39 AM
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6. Bad move tactically. If progressives had bothered paying attention to local politics
--30 or 40 years ago, we might have such a challenger. As it is, there isn't anyone with the credibility that comes from actually holding public office that fits the bill and iw willing to do it.
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ReturnoftheDjedi Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:39 AM
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7. there's nothing to realistically discuss.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:42 AM
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8. Obama is a resonably popular President with good numbers.
His popularity would need to drop quite a bit to under 38% before a Democrat would challange him in a primary. Republicans would love to see a fratricidal fight. I'm still waiting for the Republicans to start fielding a real group of challangers.

Why do you want to see Obama a one term President?
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:45 AM
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18. Hillary is leaving why not me?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:42 AM
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9. kr
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:45 AM
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10. Maybe at the freeper site?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:46 AM
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11. Why would we want to? It's a terrible idea. If we want to shift the political dynamics in the US,
we can only do that by grassroots organizing: it won't happen from the top down, and it won't happen by us playing keyboard commando. A primary challenge to Obama will be nothing but a gift to the rightwing: we'll lose another four years wailing in the wilderness withy nothing to show for it
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:51 AM
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12. FDL?
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:51 AM
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13. I think we would have to talk about that in a world where
media and corporate interests and big money were not the deciding factor when it comes to candidates offered for our heavily manufactured, pretend selection. Judging by results, expecting anything else is getting old.

Third or fourth party? Needed, but you can forget it, it is not ALLOWED.

Candidate that sincerely represents the people like Bernie Sanders? Not in the Simulation's playbook and you wont' even stand a chance. In fact, any progress you might make will quickly be turned against you. Your candidate can or did take votes from the selected, sanctioned, corporate candidate offered and we hate you for that alternative because you should have known it was never going to happen.

The playing field is not level. So, despite the fact that thousands of us, maybe millions, could easily embrace some dialog about more diversity and a true, populist movement, (rather than manufactured astro-turf) we are living in a very deliberate and obvious Corporate Occupation where, more and more we see, what they say goes and we are supposed to pretend that is about some form of choice.

If and when there is some form of popular revolt, uprising or revolution, (hopefully pragmatic and peaceful) then we can start to pool our progressive and realistic ideas and begin to choose candidates that are ready and eager to represent us, not the dominating corporate interests who are fine with expertly working the current facade and cementing in their overthrow of the people in a way that is both insatiable and ultimately detrimental to our best interests and deadly to our environment.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 12:55 AM
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14. Wheres those JOBs the GOPers were yakking about...? thats the question
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:23 AM
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16. Lets get those abortion laws on the books first, okay?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 02:04 AM
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19. LOL......BTW...the GOPers held an emergency House session...to discuss NPR and how to kill it
WTF????

ED SHULTZ went NUTs over that one...
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 02:16 AM
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21. As they used to say, first things first.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 02:31 AM
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22. They have rejected the notion of GOOD GOVERNANCE...they are Nazi Fascists
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:22 AM
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15. "Every time I bring it up in any thread it gets deleted"
Take the god damn hint.
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 01:24 AM
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17. No thank you. Language!
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 02:08 AM
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20. Too bad you pulled it.
This was a good opportunity to talk about the polyarchy and the problem of voting for what the elite have been excursively presented to us as what we are prone to perceive as choices.

We can take an example from the obvious manipulation of the funded, astro-turf teabaggers where the potential for any kind of populist movement was preempted by the Koch Brothers in a way that utilized the underlying sentiments of the a certain group in order to further a covert, neo-Fascist agenda. Despite the popular uprising against this expert manipulation, it has dug deep inroads into both the privatization of the commons, while dealing a powerful and debilitating blow to collective bargaining and what remains of unions.

When you consider the step-by-step progress of the corporate takeover to date, we have lost much ground, yet we are being energized to stand up and fight the fight that we have no choice other than to engage in now or we will eventually be obliged to forever hold our peace because that will become a State policy and no reverences will be allowed.

Do you want that? Being complicit and relying on apathy is your vote then. You would be a member of the Compliance Party, in that case. Our only hope to change this will not ever come from within the corporately sponsored and controlled, two-party, same coin system in place. It is there to manage us as we are manipulated into agreeing with what is best for the powers that be, and nothing more. It is a participation in the policies and politics of losers who are cajoled into accepting their lose and being grateful for not losing something or other along the way.

This is not about winning or progressing right now. It is about losing everything in a way that we are told should be acceptable and supportive of the Status Quo. Is that what we really want?
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-11 03:27 AM
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23. Locking -
Thread abandoned by OP.
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