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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 04:59 PM
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Resolve It or Relive It: Ohio Election Fraud 2004
Edited on Sat Jun-20-09 05:00 PM by Wilms
Some interesting bullets in the synopses regarding OH2004, Brunner, Arnebeck, and Fitrakis . Anyone here understand this?

Resolve It or Relive It: Ohio Election Fraud 2004

By Ohio Election Justice Campaign - Jun 15th, 2009

~snip~

Jennifer Brunner, the Ohio Secretary of State, objected to the special grand jury investigation. A former judge, Brunner took no action following the destruction of the evidence. Contrary to her public statements, she did not file materials showing the destruction of evidence in court.

The attorneys for the plaintiffs (Arnebeck and Fitrakis) asked the judge to strike (remove) the motions for intervention and the special grand jury and all the accompanying evidence from the record, claiming that the motion would be "disruptive to the parties and the progress of cooperative negotiations (between the attorneys and the Secretary of State) in this case."

Several months subsequent to the OEJC motions, the plaintiff attorneys engaged in a pursuit of a private individual who runs an IT business for government agencies, linking this individual to Karl Rove in the media. The attorneys have not filed any action in court against Karl Rove or named him as a defendant; the deposition taken of this private individual has never been transcribed.

On March 5, 2009, the district court judge denied the OEJC motion for intervention; the judge also granted the request of Arnebeck and Fitrakis to strike all the materials (approximately 1400 pages) showing that the 2004 evidence was destroyed from the record.

Several OEJC members have since interviewed multiple plaintiffs in the case. None seem to be fully aware of what is being done in their names by the plaintiff attorneys, and most have no idea what has happened at all with the striking of the OEJC filings regarding the destroyed 2004 evidence.

This is documented and has been filed with the court on March 24, 2009 and May 8, 2009 with the OEJC motion asking the court to reconsider its order.

The OEJC also filed new evidence that documents 10 Ohio counties are engaged in the ongoing destruction of 2004 election evidence; records have been destroyed as recently as March and April 2009.

~snip~

http://www.progressohio.org/page/community/post/OEJC/Cq...


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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 06:24 PM
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1. "Anyone understand this?" I stopped understanding the stuff
related to the theft of the 2000 and 04 elections a long time ago. None of the actions of any of the players makes any sense to me. It's like something out of a movie written by a madman working on the principle that nothing in the movie should make sense. Everything is turned on its head.

Everything.
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dael Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 10:51 PM
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2. It's called getting a grip
sorta like having all the tools and just not using any common
sense.

Will the real leader please stand up?

Oh, it ain't I'm a diner jacket or Shrub, they called it too
early.
Oh yes and they both had the same smirk after as well.

How in god's name is any of this allowed?
The people are anesthesized.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:23 AM
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3. Our government should look to Iran
I give our government credit,they at least "with our money" buy vote counting machines Levers, Op-Scan or DRE's that make it appear that our votes are being counted fair and square. LOL

The people are catching on to the politicians secret vote counting/job security scam.

Just a matter of time, just a matter of time.

LOL



Hand Count the Paper Ballots BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE POLLING PLACE a child would know better than this.

K&R
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:34 AM
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4. I'm v. interested in this subject; but no, pls explain.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 02:51 PM
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6. It's suggesting that Brunner refuses to follow up on criminal evidence.
And it claims that lawyers for those who are fighting for an examination have told the judge to toss the evidence. Further, it says the plaintiffs are unaware that their attorney is seemingly blowing off the case.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 04:26 AM
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5. Wow, you assassinate one IT guy and everybody suddenly gets scared...
:shrug:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-22-09 01:06 AM
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7. Okay, I'll try.
Here goes:

Jennifer Brunner, the Ohio Secretary of State, objected to the special grand jury investigation. A former judge, Brunner took no action following the destruction of the evidence. Contrary to her public statements, she did not file materials showing the destruction of evidence in court.


Brunner is going to seek higher office, and won't offend Republican voters. She has evidence of 2004 fraud in hand, and does nothing.
She is also the defendant in the King...et.al. lawsuit accusing the State of Ohio of fixing the election. She has to prove otherwise, effectively silenced by the lawsuit, in a conflict of justice.

The attorneys for the plaintiffs (Arnebeck and Fitrakis) asked the judge to strike (remove) the motions for intervention and the special grand jury and all the accompanying evidence from the record, claiming that the motion would be "disruptive to the parties and the progress of cooperative negotiations (between the attorneys and the Secretary of State) in this case."


They are trying to stop someone else from intervening in their three ring circus. It's their cover-up, and they want to keep it that way.
Wasn't Arnebeck the attorney for the Ohio Republican Party? And Fitrakis ran against the Dems himself, for governor.

Several months subsequent to the OEJC motions, the plaintiff attorneys engaged in a pursuit of a private individual who runs an IT business for government agencies, linking this individual to Karl Rove in the media. The attorneys have not filed any action in court against Karl Rove or named him as a defendant; the deposition taken of this private individual has never been transcribed.


It was a fishing expedition and they got zilch. They are losing the lawsuit, already lost in effect, and are trying to revive a dead horse or they get zero.

On March 5, 2009, the district court judge denied the OEJC motion for intervention; the judge also granted the request of Arnebeck and Fitrakis to strike all the materials (approximately 1400 pages) showing that the 2004 evidence was destroyed from the record.


Again, they don't want an independent party taking over their circus.

Several OEJC members have since interviewed multiple plaintiffs in the case. None seem to be fully aware of what is being done in their names by the plaintiff attorneys, and most have no idea what has happened at all with the striking of the OEJC filings regarding the destroyed 2004 evidence.


When I have contacted the plaintiffs, they have seemed clueless. This show belongs to the attorneys who seem to represent themselves, not the community or Ohio voters. It seems all this was initiated by the attorneys, who went out and found plaintiffs. And, instead of going to Cuyahoga Co. where so many vote were stolen and the problems were truly grave, and the evidence was overwhelming,they ignored all that. Stinks of distraction and cover-up of the real fraud.

This is documented and has been filed with the court on March 24, 2009 and May 8, 2009 with the OEJC motion asking the court to reconsider its order.


Reconsideration motions are standard practice and a waste of time, usually.

The OEJC also filed new evidence that documents 10 Ohio counties are engaged in the ongoing destruction of 2004 election evidence; records have been destroyed as recently as March and April 2009.


They should bring a new case to enforce the order to preserve evidence, or get yet another order from a judge who will do something.

There is plenty of evidence in plain view and nothing is being done about it.
Those who have the power to do something are taking care of their own political careers and won't rock the boat.
They don't want to get swiftboated, or as one might say in Ohio, get the Marc Dann treatment (= Spitzered in NY).

All this is part of the up-is-down cover-up of the 2004 fraud.
It is a small industry to detract from a decade of stolen Ohio elections.
The Ohio punch card system was conceived to turn a Blue state Red, and it did.
It was the easiest to steal election system ever invented.
You just moved the ballots to the next precinct, and Kerry punched votes became Bush votes.

What is needed is a statistical study of the entire history of Ohio punch card voting.
Politicians will never do this. It will fall to historians and statistics researchers.
The evidence is in plain view, the election results themselves tell the tale.
Here is the template, and what the cover-up is all about:
How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 10:52 AM
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8. Thanks. n/t
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:44 PM
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10. Excellent. Thanks. n/t
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 10:04 AM
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12. This sounds like pure speculation. Arnbeck and Fitrakis have
done a lot of good things and it doesn't seem fair to smear them without more evidence.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:25 AM
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9. .
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Suites Jaltepeque Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 06:09 PM
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11. Is the consensus thus that the Michael Connell story was a hoax?
Any idea why Larisa's article about Connell being a source of hers is no longer available?

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/12/one-of-my-sources-died...

Based on Brett Kimberlin's criminal background, I believe the FBI should investigate all parties involved in the spreading of this unsubstantiated tinfoil. It seems to have utterly obfuscated sincere investigations into 2004 election fraud.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 11:23 PM
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13. FBI: Protector of sincerity and...
tinfoil quality. But yer prolly rite tho, tharze a whole lotta seemin' goin' on, utterly.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 01:26 AM
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14. unfortunately, this highlights why we have to get the count right on election night
because no matter what, once they declare the winners, even albeit unofficial winners,
its nearly impossible to do anything about it.

Very seldom do you hear of an election result being overturned.

We had one years ago in NC in a state rep or senate seat where the votes were flipped.
(Optical scan) due to "programming" error. (ballot def files? Central Tab, dont know).

But Ohio 2004 was an abomination. Sheesh, I am on CASE Ohio's email list serve, and there were people reporting that voters were still in line at 2 AM!

Thats absolutely heartbreaking.
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