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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 03:46 PM
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Lever Machines Are Software Independent
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 03:49 PM by WillYourVoteBCounted
aren't they?

YES SIR THATS RIGHT!

No software so they AREEEEE Software Independent.

Keep Levers there better than the CRAPTASTIC ES&S DS 200 (optical scanner on steroids)
and the FRANKENSTEIN LIKE Sequoia Image Cast.

You heard it here first baby! Yassirreeee!

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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 03:55 PM
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1. Lever voting in the 1960s
I can remember lever voting in the '60s and we had no problems with it. Voting moved swiftly without delays.
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 04:48 PM
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4. Lever machines are a thing of beauty
Simple, reliable, and cheap to maintain. Beyond that, if you want to fudge an election you have to screw with each machine individually. That takes a lot of manpower and risk of exposure.
As a technician, I firmly believe in the KISS principal. If you want a system to be reliable, the simpler the better.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 05:19 PM
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5. Well, the 1960s had presidential election vote totals of 68-71 million using those lever machines.
This last election had about 125 million voting in the presidential election. That's a pretty big increase that I'm not sure that lever machines could handle. A lot of that swifter voting had to do with fewer people voting, particularly when the voting age was 21.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 10:48 PM
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7. NY State has run its elections on 20,000 lever machines for years.
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 11:06 PM by Bill Bored
About 7,300 in NYC.

It's easy to allocate them:

1. Allow about 800 voters per machine. (At this level, delays are due to signing the poll books, not voting on the machines. The voting takes less time than signing in!)
2. Space the poll sites out so everyone can get to them without having to walk too far in the cities or jump through hoops anyplace else.
3. If a precinct grows to more than 800 voters, one machine can handle up to 999, but add a second machine to be on the safe side.
4. NY allows 1,150 active registered voters per precinct. After that, make a new precinct!
5. Lever machines rarely break but have some emergency paper ballots on hand just in case. (The law allows almost any piece of paper to be used, as long as it's counted on election night before the poll workers or the ballots leave the building.)

Oh, and you'll need some of this too:

Oil is to a lever machine what Debra Bowen and her crew are to e-voting!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 11:01 PM
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8. I say, "If we need 'em...
...build 'em."

Good for the economy, too.

(The real Rosie the Riveter.)



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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 04:25 PM
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2. Both machines have language vulnerabilities and scanned image that is not software independent.
Any guess when that'll replace the paper ballot record, and we'll have the unaudited electronic image, same as the DRE. No NY audits even with the paper ballots.

Resistance to the lever is the disability community having been hyped over voting like everyone else, and took years to wean away from the DRE misinformation. Now wedded to PBOS, we don't have the same few years to get them back to levers, even though their problem is solved with the ballot marker for disabilities and language.

Our lever is HAVA compliant, combined with the with the ballot marker. Steep uphill fight to keep the beloved mechanical levers.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 04:46 PM
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 09:02 PM
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6. Got some verified vote counting, right here.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-10-09 10:46 PM
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9. What a cool cover!
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