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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:05 AM
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Check out all these unexpected deaths of people involved with elections
Check out all these unexpected deaths of people involved with elections

Keep your coincidence caps handy, folks. People involved in elections and voting machine companies seem very unlucky. Especially those in Ohio (4 of the 7) and Georgia (2 of the 7).

--Pokey Anderson

1. Dan Rocco -- April 1, 2002 -- ChoicePoint VP -- plane crash
He died on April 1, 2002, in a plane crash in Gainesville, Georgia. He was an executive vice president at ChoicePoint, the firm that gained infamy with their faulty "felons" list supplied to Katherine Harris during the 2000 election in Florida. As a result of this list, over 90,000 voters (mostly African-American voters) were wrongly identified as felons and purged from the rolls.
http://www.bk2k.com/bushbodycount/stolen-election/bodie...

2. Wesley Vance -- April 26, 2003 -- Diebold VP -- plane crash
Pilot Killed In Plane Crash Was Top Exec At Diebold
April 28, 2003
http://www.wkbn.com/Global/story.asp?S=1253108
(Jackson-AP) -- The pilot of a single-engine airplane that crashed in southern Ohio over the weekend was the chief operating officer of Canton-based Diebold Incorporated.

The company says 45-year-old Wesley Vance of Canton was flying a private plane that crashed Saturday near the Jackson County Airport. ...The company says Vance joined Diebold in October, 2000, as president of its North America business unit. He was named chief operating officer in 2001. Chief Executive Walden O'Dell will assume the company's daily operational responsibilities until a successor is found for Vance. An airport spokesman says Vance was practicing takeoffs and landings in a six-seat Beachcraft A-36 when it crashed near the airport.


~~~
http://www.abqjournal.com/obits/profiles/vance05-02-03....

Vance was an Eagle Scout, elected to Boys State, and a church-going Mormon, married, father of five. He earned a degree from Brigham Young University. He was described as a confident person who people liked to be around. His senior class in high school voted him "favorite boy". He had been a pilot for over twenty years. He was named to Diebold's No. 2 position as COO in 2001, managing the company's global operations.

3. Anthony J. Celebrezze Jr. -- July 4, 2003 -- Diebold consultant -- cause of death not confirmed

Anthony Celebrezze Dies
07/05/03 Cleveland.com
Former Ohio Attorney General Anthony J. Celebrezze Jr., 61, died yesterday in an Urbana hospital. Champaign County Coroner Joshua Richards confirmed that Celebrezze died about 9 p.m. yesterday, but would not confirm a cause of death.

Celebrezze, a Democrat of Columbus, was a stalwart in Cleveland and Ohio politics.... He was 38 when he was elected secretary of state in 1978.

He was Ohio attorney general from 1983 to 1991, and Ohio secretary of state from 1979 to 1983. Celebrezze ran against George Voinovich for governor in 1990 but lost.

Wayne Hill, Celebrezze's longtime communications director during the 1978 campaign for secretary of state and then attorney general, was in shock at Celebrezze's death yesterday.

Hill said Celebrezze, who enjoyed racing cars, was at Shady Bowl Speedway in De Graff for a Fourth of July race when he felt ill. De Graff is west of Columbus.

"It's beyond a shock. Tony had a passion for racing," said Hill in a telephone interview. "It's unbelievable. It's not right."

...After his loss to Voinovich, Celebrezze joined the law firm of Kegler, Brown, Hill & Ritter, and recently was a consultant for Diebold Inc., promoting electronic voting machines.

4. Athan Gibbs, Jr. -- March 12, 2004 -- invented the TruVote system -- car crash - collided w/ 18-wheeler

Was planning to present his new voting machine, and its paper verification features, to the Georgia legislature within a week of the crash.

"Death of a Patriot: No More 'Blind Faith Voting,'" by Bob Fitrakis http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0318-02.htm

"Black Voting Machine Inventor Dies," by Hazel Trice Edney, The Call,

March 26, 2004 http://www.kccall.com/News/2004/0326/Community/081.html

5. Andy Stephenson -- July 7, 2005 -- nationally known election activist -- pancreatic cancer

Andy had worked for Black Box Voting and barnstormed around the country investigating and speaking. It was Andy who uncovered (among other things) much of the story of Jeffrey Dean, the VP at Diebold who did software programming, who was a convicted felon whose crime had been embezzlement using computers. Andy went to many of the nation's election hotspots, including Florida and Ohio.

In January 2005, Andy noticed he didn't feel well. In April, he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. He was eventually treated at Johns Hopkins, after the national election community raised $50,000 in eleven days for his treatment. He died of post-surgery complications and a series of strokes. He was 43. His surgery had been postponed for two weeks due to the efforts of people who tried to monkeywrench Paypal and Johns Hopkins, and who spread nasty rumors that Andy wasn't really sick, and that this was all a scam. Someone managed to shut down his Medicaid after the surgery, once again slowing things down. One of his supporters in Baltimore had her car vandalized.

He had said a year earlier: "I've been threatened by these people . I've been followed from my home to work. The president of Diebold told me to back off or I would get a visit. My phone's been tapped. I've been ridiculed. I've been called a conspiracy theorist. You bet I'm going to demonize them. It's wrong. We're privatizing our elections. It's something that should remain in the hands of the people...We need to take it back. It's We the People." "If they take our right to vote away, we're nothing but slaves. I'm sorry. I'm not willing to be a slave. I'm not willing to go quietly into the night." --Andy Stephenson, July 13, 2004 in an interview following a press conference next to the Austin State Capitol Rotunda.

6. Rev. Bill Moss -- August 2, 2005 -- lead plaintiff in Moss v. Bush -- stroke

Columbus, Ohio resident Bill Moss was highly visible in the efforts to rectify the many wrongs of the November 2004 election in Ohio. Elected five times to the Columbus Board of Education, Rev. Moss was an eloquent speaker. He was considered a possible national spokesperson for the election reform movement, in an informal meeting held in Houston on June 30, 2005 after the Election Assessment Hearing. Like Athan Gibbs, Moss was African-American.

7. Mike Connell -- December 19, 2008 -- national GOP computer guru -- solo plane crash

"Pilot killed as plane crashes in Lake Twp."
By Jewell Cardwell, John Higgins and David Knox
Akron Beacon Journal staff writers
11:30 p.m. EST, Dec 19, 2008
http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/36482529.html

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Check-out-all-these-...


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:15 AM
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1. Coincidences..just coincidences. what are you ..some kind of tinfoil plot-imagining nutjob???
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 12:24 AM by BrklynLiberal
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:


There is no such thing as coincidence!!!!!!!!

I would bet that there are more....
Should we include "accidents" like the death of Paul Wellstone?
The suicides of J.H. Hatfield, and that other writer who was driven to suicide after writing negative articles about BushCo.

Margie Schoedinger - who accused Bush of rape
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:23 AM
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2. Are you kidding me.
I was wearing a tinfoil hat before it was cool.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:24 AM
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3. Guess I have been too...
:thumbsup: :hi:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:30 AM
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4. if you ever need it
I'll be honored to let you borrow my hat



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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:37 AM
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7. Thank you...
:fistbump:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:36 AM
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6. Here is a very old thread that also wonders about the timely deaths of Bush enemies.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:45 AM
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9. thanks I didn't see that one.
there was a MS congressman, a newbie in DC, who was ex-law enforcement and big time anti-drug crusader. Think Buford Pusser type. He and his pilot died in a small plane crash. Word was just before his death, he meet with informants that filled him in on the government connections to the illegal drug trade in South America.

It happened during Poppy's term.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 01:35 AM
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12. It is a dynasty of death and destruction..
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:34 AM
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5. never travel in a small plane......
if you have anything to do with dodgy voting especially if you are about to expose or testify. It's not good to drive a car or get sick either.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:37 AM
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8. or check into a motel by yourself.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:55 AM
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11. And no high-rise hotels or office meetings. No running down a foot path.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 12:46 AM
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10. The first thing I thought when I read of McConnell's plane crash
is "he shouldn't have known better".

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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 01:49 AM
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13. Amazing number of suiciedes and odd deaths
I was told years ago that they * family made the mob look like church deacons by George Wallace.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 02:20 AM
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14. I've forgotten their names,but the first two women who exposed election fraud
Both died of the same rare cancer shortly after they announced their findings. This took place in the state of FLorida, Way back in the late 1970's.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 02:56 AM
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15. It can't be said enough: Thank you Andy.
R.I.P.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 03:10 AM
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16. You left out a big one... Raymond Lemme, who was the subject of "Murder, Spies, and Voting Lies"...
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 03:14 AM by calipendence
who died when trying to investigate what was going on down in Florida with the Tom Feeney/Clint Curtis vote alleged vote rigging scandal.




http://www.votinglies.com /

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Murder-Spies--Voting-L...

Clint Curtis's dog was also shot when he was scheduled to testify in Washington too.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 05:03 AM
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17. we have a real good idea who did that to andy.....
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:46 AM
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23. Who did *what* to Andy? n/t
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davefromqueens Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:15 AM
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18. Responsibly done
It may be coincidence, it may not be but you present the facts in a straightforward manner and allow others to draw inferences based on those facts.

That's the way to do it when presenting a topic of this nature.
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:20 AM
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19. Why does the list include cancer and stroke victims? n/t
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:28 AM
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20. Why should you care?
You post absolutes from articles that are not found in articles.

You consider yourself about the truth when you don't post it, so your opinion regarding the article is of little import. But if it bothers you so and you need an answer, go to the link and find the author of the article and send him your message.

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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:35 AM
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21. No answer?
Didn't think so.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:43 AM
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22. I didn't write the piece
You need to go to the author.

By the way, you never answered me in another thread, guess that means you conceded the point and were being dishonest.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:13 AM
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24. Ever heard of Karen Silkwood, Dumbo? Do you think it beyond the with
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 10:16 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
of those people to cause someone to have a stroke? Really, your posts are too juvenile for this forum.

You still didn't say why you didn't check with the poster about his sources on the weather at the time of Connell's plane crash. You only address a matter of actual truth when you are forced to.

Now respond to my points about Silkwood and the causing of cancer and strokes. And confess that yet again, you're posting posts unworthy of a dim-wit.
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 11:24 AM
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25. LOL!
You call me "Dumbo" and then tell me my posts are too juvenile?

I asked for a link to posts disproving the weather was bad, and got none.

Silkwood died in a car accident. How does that rationalize including stroke and cancer victims in a list like this? The stroke and cancer were, like, induced?

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 01:41 PM
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26. Wasn't a radio-active article found in her refrigerator? Did you ask the person
who made the claim, as I suggested to you. No. Seemingly. But even if you had asked that poster at my instance, why woudl you have needed my prompting, oh grerat lover of truth. You should have latched onto it immediately - to satisfy your search for the truth in this matter. But you realy weren't intersted, were you?

Stroke and cancer? No, not "like" induced. "Induced". Say after me, "Induced". "Induced...." There... it wasn't difficult, was it?
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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 02:29 PM
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28. You get funnier with every post
The stroke and cancer were induced? Care to back that up?

I mean, I've not seen the claim Andy Stephenson was murdered by induced pancreatic cancer, but I'm all ears.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:03 AM
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31. You're too obtuse to understand compelling circumstantial evidence.
Or rather you think we are. We don't have to be brain surgeons on here to recognise the Republican operatives. Although an ununusually thick one, even by the standards of the Republicans, the stupid party.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 01:48 PM
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27. "Silkwood died in a car accident" is a bit of an understatement for those familiar with her story.
About her death:

On 13 November, 1974, Karen Silkwood had an appointment with a union staff representative and a New York Times investigative reporter. At this meeting, she was to provide documentation to the reporter, showing that her charges that Kerr-McGee had been negligent in quality control and had falsified records were justified.

Karen was on her way to this meeting when she died in what seems to have been a one-car crash. The documents she was to have turned over to the reporter were never found.

Karen Silkwood, who died at age 28, was buried in Danville Cemetery in Kilgore, Texas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A634213


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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 02:35 PM
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29. Suspicious circumstances, sure
But I don't see how it supports the inclusion of people on this list that died of natural causes.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 02:59 PM
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30. The "system", perhaps? There are a number of government-friendly companies who acquired
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 03:01 PM by 8_year_nightmare
plutonium -- NASA, nuclear plants, petroleum plants, chemical plants, mining companies. That, plus the fact that there was no federal investigation of Silkwood's death, supports the notion that Silkwood's murder accident was actually another government-approved assassination.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 07:46 PM
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32. Athan Gibbs accident caused by tractor trailer
A lady tractor trailer driver from WVA collided with Gibbs, and Gibbs lost control
of his vehicle.

I believe the accident happened around 10 AM eastern time.

A tragedy for sure, it was investigated and I don't think the police knew who
he was, as far as e-voting goes.

It was a big loss to lose Mr. Gibbs, because he had the perfect background to
press the issue of paper ballots and open source code, as well as audits.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 02:59 PM
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33. What an unsettling series of coincidences! nt
:sarcasm:
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