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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:33 PM
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According to VerifiedVoting.org, 3,013 voting jurisdictions out of 4,698 used optical scan.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-08 04:40 PM
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1. That's not possible because that would mean that the "we're doomed" contingent was 100% wrong...
And thus they, being completely honorable and in no way craven, would have come out and admitted as much - which hasn't happened.
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:54 AM
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2. The key question is how many of the 3,013 voting jurisdictions
are subject to audits where the paper ballots are hand counted to verify the accuracy of the machines. The answer is not many of them. And anyone who has spent considerable time on this board knows that optical scan is little better than paperless DREs if there are no audits where a sample of paper ballots are hand counted and compared to the scanner results.

Another way to look at this is that over 30 million voters cast vote on paperless touchscreen voting machines. There is no justification for this crime.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 09:45 AM
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3. .
:applause:

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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:45 PM
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4. How about calculating the number of unaudited jurisdictions?
Edited on Mon Nov-24-08 02:46 PM by Bill Bored
It would be even better to calculate the number that are not "significantly" audited, or risk-limiting audited. This will vary from election to election because some audits just happen to be enough for some elections, like in CT and CA.

We do know this however:

The number of jurisdictions that have implemented risk-limiting audits (audits specifically designed to detect and correct wrong electoral outcomes) is ZERO.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-01-08 03:46 AM
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6. Indeed. Insttuting mandatory auditing is the single most important thing you can do
--at the state level to promote election integrity.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 02:52 PM
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5. Why don't you think we're doomed with optical scanners?
They count votes by computer just like the touch screens do.

The fact that there's a paper ballot is just window dressing, although it does address certain reliability and usability problems that DREs have, and provides some POTENTIAL to correct wrong election results or to deter some kinds of fraud, while enabling others.

Florida, for example, has scrupulously avoided the use of paper ballots to confirm election results reported by computers, and they're not alone.
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