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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 01:41 AM
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Bush led by about 3% in the polls four years ago. And he won by about 3%.
Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 01:42 AM by smalll
Now, just four short years later, Barack Obama leads in every major poll. When he wins, will you people be able to begin to find your way to come to closure?

:shrug:
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 01:43 AM
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1. To whom do you refer
when you say "you people?"
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 01:46 AM
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4. I mean the denizens of this psuedo-dungeon who, quite understandably, had a psychic need ...
four years ago, to reject the concept that most American voters voted for the Chimp.

And wait for it -- when Obama wins this Tuesday, the Freepers will blame it on Acorn. They will blame it on all the Mickey Mouses who voted. They'll lurch off into their own delusion. The parallels will be enlightening.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 02:07 AM
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6. I'll bet that you don't work in technology - specifically, programming? n/t
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 04:07 AM
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8. psuedo-dungeon?
:rofl:

Gee, I wonder where you came from. Your spelling says everything.

Welcome to my ignore list. You'll be headed toward a Tombstone anyway.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 11:29 AM
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10. I demand a *real* dungeon!
:rofl:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:07 AM
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19. ROFLMAO!
We need real whips, real chains. We have walls but no tools!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 05:59 AM
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9. Some of the people who stole Ohio are now being forced to testify
Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 06:02 AM by eridani
Winning this year by a margin large enough to overcome the cheating does not justify ignoring the cheating either now or then. Unfortunately, too damned many Dem electeds think--whatthehell, I won, so let's not look too closely at the process.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6600

The Republican IT guru, recently described as a "high tech Forrest Gump" for his proclivity to be "at the scene" of so many troubling elections since 2000, and even at the heart of the "lost" White House email scandal, has been ordered by a federal judge to appear for an under-oath deposition next Monday in Ohio.

The BRAD BLOG has learned that Mike Connell, the Republican IT guru whose company, SmarTech Inc. created Ohio's 2004 election results computer network appeared in federal court today, as compelled, and has been ordered to appear for his deposition on Monday, November 3, just 24 hours before Election Day 2008.

Today's court order came after a contentious hearing, at which Connell was present. The hearing was part of a long-standing voting rights violations lawsuit, King Lincoln v. Blackwell, as previously covered by The BRAD BLOG and by Velvet Revolution's Election Protection Strike Force here and here.

Though Connell's attorneys have fought to quash the subpoena, recently issued after the judge lifted a stay on the case several weeks ago, , it looks like his options to avoid testimony, or at least jail for avoiding it, may have come to an end. The attorneys in the case have said that Connell's testimony may well lead to the subpoenaing and under-oath questioning of Karl Rove, who, they say, would be unable to use Executive Privilege as an excuse to avoid such a subpoena in a civil RICO case...


http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Documents_reveal_how_Ohio...
Newly obtained computer schematics provide further detail of how electronic voting data was routed during the 2004 election from Ohios Secretary of States office through a partisan Tennessee web hosting company.

A network security expert with high-level US government clearances, who is also a former McCain delegate, says the documents server schematics which trace the architecture created for Ohios then-Republican Secretary of State and state election chief Kenneth Blackwell raise troubling questions about the security of electronic voting and the integrity of the 2004 presidential election results.

The flow chart shows how voting information was transferred from Ohio to SmarTech Inc., a Chattanooga Tennessee IT company known for its close association with the Republican Party, before the 2004 election results were displayed online.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 01:43 AM
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2. Be kind. It's called "the jitters . . ."
It comes from having been cornholed one time too many.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 01:45 AM
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3. Yes. The answer is yes. Absolutely.
I am so fired up! I have such a good feeling. I haven't ever felt so good politically as I do now. I feel politically satisfied. Well...maybe 100% when we win on Tuesday. I just hope and pray for an Indiana win. That's the only thing I'm cautiously hopeful for. Indiana will make it 100% for me.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 01:50 AM
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5. It's not us I worry about It's them
After talking to 2 McCain supporters today I don't see them getting over McCain losing and really think the next 4 years they might try to get revenge. Seem's they have a lack of memory, 4 years ago a real war hero ran for office and was ripped to shreds. Now these same people are calling McCain a "real" war hero, I'm sorry but being shot down and living in a POW camp doesn't make one a hero. Especially when the enemy finds out that daddy is a high ranking officer, what about the poor smucks in that camp that had a farm worker as a daddy, did they get the same treatment? We don't know we only have McCains side of it, the other side either won't say or they didn't come out of the camps and can't say.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 03:48 AM
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7. Yes, as soon as there are audits and or a full hand count of the ballots at the polling place
I demand there be a system in place that if an American voter wants to do an audit or a full hand count of the ballots at a particular polling place, that there be a procedure in place to make that happen. No questions asked.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 05:03 PM
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11. Hey kster
Where'd the OP go? What a crock to come here and blast us and then run away and hide. What a sad state of affairs that person's life must be. No discussion, no replies... a drive by posting by a small minded person who can do no better than to just run away and hide. Sad, eh?

You ready to hand count some ballots? I sure am.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 02:32 AM
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13. Break out the ballots at the polling places
no more excuses, there are people here that want to audit the ballots at the polling places and people that want to do a full hand count of all the ballots at the polling places

Lets get a procedure in place to make that happen UPON REQUEST.

I'm ready to hand count some ballots. :headbang:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:42 AM
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16. Yeah
As much as we hate the damned machines, it looks like we are a minority, still. So if we live and die by the damned things we should at least make the best of them thru audits, etc.

Too bad all those who attacked you in the past aren't around to help now. I guess they all gave up? I guess they weren't all that serious, eh?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 08:13 AM
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25. I think they realized they couldn't steal the presidency
The senate was their focus this go around.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-01-08 05:24 PM
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12. How do you know Bush won by 3%?
Do you have any way to verify the totally secret, private vote count arrived at by using machines that have been shown in every serious study to be highly vulnerable to hacking, patching or fraudulent programming (especially by insiders)? If you have some way of verifying it, I'd like to know what it is.

The only way I know to verify it is by the exit polls.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:38 AM
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14. Steve
You sure are a nice guy. The small minded op'er deserves less than any respect yet you offer up a plate full.

Of course the 2004 election is unverifiable. Its artificial, and the one person here who has tried to make it seem real has disgraced itself away. And now this op'er who disgraces itself by this hit-and-run post.

I wish I could be as nice as you..... Peace.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:41 AM
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15. heh
I have my doubts.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 07:59 AM
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17. Yeah
You are full of it. You doubt the multi-million dollar costing, scientific based results of the exit polls, yet defend the unscientific cooked up results, as if you were dying to verify Diebold, et al.

If I wasn't so angry about the stolection of 2004, I'd just laugh you away.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 08:06 AM
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18. Just had this vision of you, OTOH
I was at the carnival at one of those games where the clowns keeping popping up here and there and I have the plastic hammer beating the clown down at every chance. I guess I am trying to laugh you away!
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-02-08 06:46 PM
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20. fantasies of beating me with a plastic hammer?
That's TMI for sure.

Why don't you just correct your facts?
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 02:42 AM
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21. "you people" ?
where did you get that? you are completely incorrect that Bush led the polls by 3%.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 12:48 AM
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22. Ou sont les Diebolds d'antan?
Edited on Wed Nov-05-08 12:49 AM by smalll
Hmmmm?

It's time, in this moment of victory, for Kerry fans of four years ago to bask in success and to come to closure.

Wait for it, wait for it: give it time (not much time) and the Freepers will set up their own pseudo-dungeon for their own "election reform" crowd -- they'll blame Acorn first of all, plus, they'll come up with their own theory as to how a Democratic-leaning latte-liberal cadre of techies took a break from icanhascheezburger.com to "steal" the election for the O-man.


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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:32 AM
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24. Bring the freepers on!
Your showing disrespect to the fine folks here makes you look very small and uneducated.

We welcome any Americans who believe that an open and honest election process is worth working for. And we tend to throw under the bus any, who, like you, try to stop us.

Might I suggest you just go away before you get run over again? Because you seem to be nothing more than a hit and run poster, otherwise you'd respond to the serious replies here in your thread.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 12:59 AM
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23. I'll find closure when we have paper ballots, thanks.
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