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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:38 AM
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E-Slate machines that Don't work????
Any one that tells you that they can't build a voting machine that works.

Is a liar.

I'm a truck driver. You can't lie to me. All truck driver know better.


We have to buy fuel ever day for our trucks.

Money is like votes. They can be transferred electronically.

I have a fuel card.
In order to get that fuel card to work.
I have to enter the
Right Place.
Right date.
Right time.
Right truck number.
Right license plate number.
Right mileage.
Right load number.
Right driver I.D. Number.
Right trailer Number.
The right price of the fuel per gallon
How many Gallons that I pump.
And what it all cost. To the penny.

It's like having the number 1 With 36 digits behind it.
If it is off by one digits. The computer kicks it out.

There are two million truck driver that buy their fuel the same way.

No mistakes here.

Not only is all this information transferred electronically.

I am also given three carbon copy of the same transaction.

When I look at the paper work. If it is off by one digit.

I can have the fuel clerk council out that transaction.
And make it right.

Right then.

There is none of this. " Well it's in the computer now and we can't change it.

And there is none of this. We flip your vote or info on you fuel card at a later time.
People go to jail for flipping info in the real world.

I can get up on the computer and go back ten years. And check out the same transaction.
to see if any thing has change.

Millions of pennies. Are moved every day. And it all adds up to the penny.

No one more.

Not one less.

And they can't do the same thing with your votes?

And now at this late date and time. A sad state of a fairs. You tell me that we still have.
Registered voters list where eligible voters can be kicked off the list.

Voter machines that can't vote the way you tell them to.
They flip your vote.

They can't build a machine that can print out three carbon copy's of how you voted, and transfer electronically you voter info accurately.

All at the same time.

Try telling that to a truck driver. They do it ever day. Millions of time a day.


You don't have a right to question the accuracy of the machines. At the time that you voted?
You don't have a right to correct the vote's info. If it's wrong.
There is no way you to check and see how your vote was counted at a later date and or time.
You don't have a right to a paper trail (A legal document). Physical evidence. That can be used in a court of law. At A later date.

Truck driver's fuel receipt are legal document. They have to be signed in black ink.

The same could be true with the paper trail of your voter Info.

Have a avenue of readdress.

It happens ever day in the real world.

If they are telling you that it can't be done.

Some body's blowing a lot of smoke up some body's ass.

If it's not simple to use. Truck driver couldn't do it.

If it's not cheap. Truck drivers couldn't afford it.

If it's not accurate. We can't use it.

If it's not tamper proof. Truck drivers will not use it.

Now go vote.

Yes we can.

Larry L. Burks
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 10:59 AM
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1. I appreciate the sentiment, and the time you took to post it.
But the argument you make includes giving a receipt to each voter. And that would effectively end "secret voting".

A vote for which a receipt is produced could be bought, sold, or coerced.

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Conveyor Belt Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:03 AM
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2. Agreed
When working polls, people always ask 'where's my receipt' to which I'd reply, "You never got a receipt before."

The machines in the state of Mississippi have a printer that prints to a secured canister that is locked and sealed with tamper proof, numbered and recorded seals. no one could really tamper with the printer without every poll worker being asleep.

You can't get a receipt because you could take it to the candidate for payment or favor. That's not right. I understand the sentiment, but the ways it could be abuse far outweigh the benefit.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:23 AM
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3. But the point remains that there is no real way to prove the voting machine is accurately recording
votes, even with the so called paper trail. Nothing short of a pencil and paper ballot will do that.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:31 AM
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4. Do you mean a pencil and paper ballot that's optically scanned?
There is no real way to prove the voting machine is accurately recording those votes either, unless there's a risk-based audit or full hand recount...which rarely, if ever, happens.

Just sayin'.

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:52 AM
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5. In this case the paper ballot is a legal document if there is any question.
With the electronic touch screen voting machine, there is no real evidence how anyone actually voted. There can be manual recounts with paper ballots.
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 02:49 PM
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6. That can be Fixed
Edited on Sun Oct-26-08 03:15 PM by Larry L. Burks
If you have a electronic voting machine.

They could post the vote count. up on the net.

A second by second count of how the vote is going.

You don't have to wait days for the count.

And this way is the count drops by 200,000 votes

Or goes up with in the blink of an eye. By 200,000 votes.

Then you will know that some thing is wrong. A few more thing that they could do is

The transaction is given an Invoice Number".

Because there are three carbon copy's printed. All at the same time.

One is given to me.
One goes to the state.
One stays at the county.

This means that if one of those copy's is altered.
There are two left to prove in a court of law that will show. Which one was tampered with.

There is nothing in the rule book that says that your name has to be on the paper work.

Your Voter I.D. Will tell you if the votes is yours or not.

If they keep a master record at the state level.

And a master record at the county level.

And you have you record. Your paper copy.

All three records can't be changed Un less it will shows up on the over all count.

If they let the master records. be shown to the public.

You can go the to the state or county boards of election. And check it for your self.
OR you could go on line. And check it from your home.

Either you vote is there. And it right. Or it's not.

The adding machines make the vote come out even.

Not one more.

Not one less


This would put an end to Voter Fraud.

When ever you go to register for the first time. Bring you I.D.

Once you are on the list. Your name can not be removed for any reason. Other than death.

And even if you die. The state has to prove that it was you that died. And not some other person. Before they can remove your name off the list.

The law only requires you to register once.

Ones is enough.

It is illegal to destroy public records. The voters list is public record.

I get a cash advance every day off my card.

If I go to get my cask. And it not there. I will know it. Some body else got it. Not me.

Some body has to go to jail.

But if I take my cash off my cord.

I can't take it off twice. Only once.

If voting machines were like fuel cards.

No one could steal your vote.
And it would prevent any body from voting twice.

I know that some people have houses in five different states.

They vote in each different state.

If voting machines were like fuel cards.

All of these five times voters would stop.

What we need is a county master voter list.
A state master voters list.
And a national master voters list.

America want's Free and fair elections.

This would put an end to voter Fraud. In America.

Larry L. Burks
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:47 PM
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7. Really? Which state are referring to?
"If there is any question" is a phrase I hear over and over again. My short response to that is Florida 2000, and Ohio 2004.

Any questions?

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drosenfeld33 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:16 AM
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8. ATM machine don't malfunction like this
Think about: These same companies make ATM machines. Have you ever had a problem with the ATM machine? Has it ever spit out, god-willing, too many bills? How could a bank function if it couldn't trust the ATM machines? They couldn't. And neither can our Democracy. Throw away all the machines. Vote by paper, count by hand. It's the only answer.
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