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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:08 PM
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Hundreds Of Thousands Of Votes Are Being Stolen RIGHT NOW (RFK Jr-on-Air America)
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 12:47 PM by kpete
Votes are being stolen, now, by hundreds of thousands.
Bobby: There are about 30 scams the republicans are deliberately using, particularly in the swing states to get democratic voters off the rolls. These scams originate in the so-called Help America Vote Act which was passed after the Florida debacle in the year 2000. It was originally suggested by democrats and republicans but it was passed by a republican congress with a republican senate and a republican president. And instead of reforming what happened in Florida it basically institutionalized all the problems that happened in Florida. And institutionalized a series of impediments that make it very difficult for democrats to register, for democrats to vote and then for democrats to have their vote counted.

One of these requirements under HAVA is called the perfect match and what that does is little known but it is devastating. A quarter of the voters in Colorado have just been removed from the rolls because of this--just this one scam. And what it does is they use a computer system to compare your registration application to all other government records of you in the state. So theyll look at your social security records, your motor vehicle records and any time youve had any interaction with the government and if there is any information on your voter registration that is different than the information on another government record that they find they remove you from the voting rolls.

For example, if I registered as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and yet my motor vehicle license said Robert Frances Kennedy Jr. Id be removed from the rolls. If your initial is different, if you leave an initial out, if you leave a Jr. out, if you leave a hyphen out in your name. And what theyve done is a study in New York that said 80% of the errors are errors that were done by state clerks who are taking down this information. And particularly immigrant communities that people tend to vote democratic, people have namesspell Muhammad with an o instead of a u (crosstalk)

Pap: Are the democrats suing to stop this?

Bobby: No, the democrats are doing nothing to stop it. In New Jersey, which is a swing state, 300,000 voters in New Jersey were just sent letters saying that they are now ineligible to vote. New jersey is nice enough to actually notify them--most states will not even notify them. And New Jersey intends to send out 870,000 letters so that is three quarters of a million people off the voting rolls in a state that could decide this vote by 50,000 votes. And these are democrats that are being pushed off the rolls.

Bobby: Let me tell you about one other of these scams people should know about. If youre a newly registered voter--and of course the democrats have done these gigantic registration drives--12 million people on registration--if youre a new voter you MUST include your license or some other state I.D. when you come to vote. What that means is that if youre a college kid (and college kids now--theyre sending in absentee ballots--theyre not going to the voting place, they do everything online or they do everything remotely--they dont dream of going to the precinct house voting on election day and waiting in a long line) so if they send in the absentee ballot and they dont include a color copy of their license their vote is going to be thrown into a trash can. And none of these people know this because you have had to read the law in order to know it. So there is no notification for when you fill out your registration form, so all of those 12 million people that the democrats have registered: those ballots are going to be just thrown out.

Pap: And if democrats wont talk about this how the hells anybody gonna know about it? Im involved with this kind of thing every day--I didnt know that until you just told me. The media is not talking about it. How in the hell is somebody gonna find this out? Its just incredible.

Bobby: Hopefully--Obama is getting 66 million dollars a month--hopefully somebody in the democratic organization is going to pay some attention to this before election day.


more at:
http://airamerica.com/ringoffire/blog/2008/sep/22/rfk-j...
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:12 PM
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1. I heard this the other day.
It was very sobering.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:14 PM
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2. Democrats have learned not to fight. Big reason we continue losing (nt)
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:30 AM
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13. Speak for yourself ... eom
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:18 PM
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3. Maybe this is why McCain/Palin are avoiding press conferences and news exposure...
In essence, committing the "unthinkable." They know they don't have to campaign. They figure they'll prevail in November because of this massive election fraud. Perhaps they know they are losing and will continue to lose as evidenced by the polls, but know that on election day, 100,000s of Democrats will not be able to vote, so they will win.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:13 PM
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4. OMG...
This is f#*king scary...I am snail mailing another donation and enclosing a warning letter written with a sharpie.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:26 PM
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5. this is more overwrought than helpful
College kids "dont dream of going to the precinct house"?

Funny, that's not quite the way I remember Oberlin College in 2004.

Come to think of it, that isn't true of my own students either.

"...all of those 12 million people that the democrats have registered: those ballots are going to be just thrown out."

Well, I agree with Pap -- that's just incredible. Except that I actually mean it: I don't think it is credible. Silly me, I have a hard time believing that Kennedy has solid evidence that 12 million new registrants are about to be disenfranchised, and he can't find anyone who cares except an Air America host.

And considering that as of September 2 there are still over three million registered voters in Colorado -- which approaches the number of eligible adults in Colorado -- I'm pretty skeptical that a quarter of actual Colorado voters have been purged, too. It's not impossible -- who knows what is on those rolls? -- but it's unlikely.

Now, if any new registrants who are voting absentee are encouraged by this to make sure they fulfill any applicable identification requirements, that's terrific. And if any Colorado (or New Jersey, or other American) voters are inspired to check their registration status, great.

Hundreds Of Thousands Of Votes Can Be Saved RIGHT NOW.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:35 AM
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14. "In-credible" from the Latin root word "credo", meaning "to believe"
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:17 PM
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15. "so implausible as to elicit disbelief"
Yes, that is the very nub of my gist.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:58 PM
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6. first must read rec with the new system
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:39 PM
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7. why is this not on the greatest page? n/t
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:29 AM
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8. THERE IS STILL TIME TO STOP THIS.

Get EVERYONE you know to CHECK THEIR REGISTRATION. Call your county election board and make sure that you are registered, and registered at the right address.

http://canivote.org


If there is a problem with a registration, voter missing, wrong address etc., there is still time to re-register -- but the window is closing fast.

YOU --DO THIS. DO NOT ASSUME YOUR OWN REGISTRATION IS OK. Then help everyone you know to check. After that join one of the election protection groups that are going into targeted communities to do this. Or, if you are working for the party or a candidate, doing GOTV and canvassing, advise Obama supporters to do this. Every vote we save is one we need.

Then, make sure that everyone knows the rules for ID, provisional ballots, etc. in your state. Help everyone to follow the rules to the letter of the law.

Let us have NO VOTE LEFT BEHIND-- and mean it for real!

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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:20 AM
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10. NATIONAL GUARANTEE MY VOTE DAY
October 1st we are calling on all progressive groups/organizations and blogs to text, email or phone their members/readers/supporters to prompt them to call or go on line with their local state and or county elections officials and make sure that they are STILL registered to vote in the November election.

There has been purging and caging going on all over the nation, mostly in large Democratic leaning urban cores. By doing this we can at least save some voter from being disappointed on Election Day and also call to the forefront discussion about the voting manipulation that has taken place these past 8 years.

For more information check out www.americasolidarity.org or call Mike Collier at the MICAH Project (253) 627-0120 Pass this along to all you know.

Thanks-Mike C
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:15 PM
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11. hey, thanks for putting up part of my thread. it got locked.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:39 PM
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12. omg--i just clicked on your link, and someone copied the transcript
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:53 PM by orleans
i made and put it up on the ring of fire website! i'm so honored.

i know it is my transcript because i see the mistake i made typing it, and the edit i made (it was a remark about al gore that i cut out) so i know it is my little transcript!

wow--my edit and crappy typing made it close to bobby! (even tho my thread go locked, i now feel my time and trouble WAS SO WORTH IT! ...i love bobby.)

AND I JUST NOTICED THIS:
"RFK jr. and Mike Papantonio would like to thank Orleans at Democratic Underground for helping report this story. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/orleans/243 "

OMG--BOBBY KENNEDY WANTS TO THANK ME!!! SIGH AND SWOON!
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