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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:23 PM
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Feedback please about this RECOUNT FOR DUMMIES flyer I'm making...
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 04:26 PM by henslee
It's not done. I borrowed from many posts here. I will be fixing, links, resizing fonts and bulleting but here is the essence of it. Please be harsh.
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DESPITE BIG MEDIA BLACKOUT,2004 VOTER RECOUNT EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY IN BOTH OHIO AND NEW HAMPSHIRE. SO ARE INVESTIGATIONS INTO WIDESPREAD VOTER IRREGULARITIES.

The goal of these efforts is not to overturn the election but to simply verify the integrity of our voting system. Below are the details. For further updates, visit: http://www.blackboxvoting.org /

COUNTING ALL THE VOTES is vital to the future of our democracy. Feeling let down by major news outlets who refuse to give this story the attention it deserves, I made this flyer to get the word out.

VOTER IRREGULARITIES. Widespread, documented reports of voter irregularites and disenfranchisement as well as wildly innacurate exit polls have prompted a grass roots movement of millions of American who are demanding that Electronic Voting methods be scrutinized.

THE GAO INVESTIGTION. After documented voter irregularites surpassed 30,000 & vote counting errors in Ohio, Florida reached the tens of thousands, Congressmen Conyer, Nadler & Waxler formally requested an urgent investigation by the General Accounting Office. Their letter to the GAO and follup up letters signed by six more congressmen are viewable here: http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats / (under late breaking news).

THE NEW HAMPSIRE RECOUNT. It is underway. 14 counties are being recounted at the request of candidate Ralph Nader. Luckily, these counties have a paper trail and the accuracy of electronic voting can be determined. See link for details: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041112-033826...

THE OHIO RECOUNT. A full-state recount is underway at the request of Green and Libertarian Candidates,Cobb and Badernik. Details:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200...

MORE RECOUNTS AND AUDITS: Contributions to the following efforts are urgently needed:

HELP AMERICA COUNT is a 527 working w/The National Ballot Integrity Project and BlackBoxVoting.org to raise money for recounts, audits and court challenges in Florida & Ohio.
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/index.html

ALLIANCE FOR DEMOCRACY is raising funds for an independent OHIO recount and the investigation of irregularites. Their website is: http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/html/eng/2138-AA...

BLACKBOXVOTING.ORG also plans on fraud-auditing Florida, Neveda & New Mexico. Visit their website for details: http://www.blackboxvoting.org /

THINGS YOU CAN DO NOW:

1.Contribute to the recount organizations above.

2.Contact your local reps: http://www.house.gov/writerep / & here:
http://www.congress.org / Tell them you want all the votes counted and you object to electronic voting with no paper trail.

3. Contact the GAO here: Ask them to investigate.
http://www.gao.gov/fraudnet/fraudnet.htm

Deadlines are approaching. Now is the time to act. The integrity of our Democracy is all our responsibility.












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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:28 PM
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1. change the word "story" in this sentence
"Feeling let down by major news outlets who refuse to give this story the attention it deserves"

change 'story' to 'important issue'
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:33 PM
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3. How about "unprecedented threat to American democracy"
:)
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:36 PM
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4. Yes, absolutely
That's an important change, I think. It's an excellent flyer!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:45 PM
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5. Thanx. I got rid of the whole paragraph. I think the title covers this
point.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:32 PM
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2. www.votecobb.org
http://www.votecobb.org /

They need donations to finance the Ohio recount.


Yesterday someone posted a website with a searchable database of voter irregularity reports, about 8 web pages worth in the full list (i.e. with no user specified screening criteria on the search).
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:48 PM
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7. duh.
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another5bdem Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:47 PM
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6. looks good
a grassroots movement of millions of Americans

Candidates,Cobb (need space)

Wildly inacurate exit polls--say something like apparently wildly inaccurate or mention that they are very discrepant, since we don't know whether it was the exit polls that were wrong (as the rightwingers maintain) or the final tallies.

One thing to mention is that I have heard that Ed Gillsepie (RNC) is floating the idea of solving this problem by outlawing those pesky exit polls in the future. I guess that's one way to clear it up. Sorry I don't have a link. I think that is the wrong approach. You might mention that the MSM is working on the ironclad assumption that it is the exit polls that are wrong, when logic says that is only one possibility.

Otherwise I think it looks great!

Will this be an online flyer or paper? If it's paper I would suggest having them go to one simple link that has hyperlinks to all the other links you have here, because it's hard to type in all those individual links.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:50 PM
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8. It'll be on paper. And as an MS attachment, I will send it to anyone who
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 04:50 PM by henslee
PM'S me. It looks really good with boldfaced 16pt. heading, Times New Roman text and reformatted. All fits on one page.


THANKS FOR YOUR PROOF READING. I WILL SPELL CHECK,
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:53 PM
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11. discrepancies between the exit polls and tallies
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rehema Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:31 PM
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9. How recounts work in Ohio
How recounts work in Ohio

CARRIE SPENCER
Associated Press

An overview of how a recount would work in the presidential race in Ohio, in question and answer form.

Q: Can a recount be triggered automatically?

A: Yes. If either President Bush or John Kerry wins the state by 0.25 percent or less of the total vote, Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell must order a recount under Ohio law.

Q: Is there any other way to get a recount?

A: A losing candidate may request a recount in writing within five days after the official count is filed with the secretary of state. The applicant must deposit $10 for each precinct to be recounted - $121,510 for all the precincts in the state.

Q: Has Ohio ever had a presidential recount?

A: Yes. In 1976, 24 of the 25 Electoral College members who were pledged to vote for Republican President Ford requested a recount when the official popular vote count showed Democrat Jimmy Carter winning by 9,333 votes, or 0.23 percent of the total cast. The recount added 1,783 votes for Carter.

The provision for automatic recounts has only been in Ohio law since 1984. The only automatic recount in a statewide race was in 1990, when Democrat Lee Fisher beat Republican Paul Pfeifer by just 1,234 votes for attorney general.

Q: What's the timeline?

A: Nothing can happen until the official "canvass" by the 88 county elections boards. First, provisional ballots - those cast by people who say they are legitimately registered but are challenged as eligible voters or aren't on the precinct list - are verified and counted 10 days after the election. Counties also must wait for overseas absentee ballots. The official count begins 11 to 15 days after the election and can take about two days.

After the official count is certified and sent to the secretary of state, any automatic recount must be conducted within 10 days. Candidates have five days to request a recount, and the recount must be held within 10 days of the request.

Q: Who does the recount?

A: Teams with equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans.

Q: How does it work?

A: The Ohio secretary of state's office spells out different procedures for recounts whether a county uses punch cards (in 68 of Ohio's 88 counties), optical scan ballots (13 counties) or touch-screen machines (seven counties). Each calls for first testing the tabulating machines by preparing a batch of test ballots, counting them by hand and then by machine to ensure the totals match. If they don't, hand counts ensue for either punch card or optical scan ballots.

Q: Is a hand recount possible for touch-screen voting?

A: Only if the machine records the vote on paper. Any future counties buying touch-screen machines must include that auditing equipment. The seven counties that already have them are not required to retrofit the machines.

Sources: Ohio Secretary of State; Ohio State University Moritz College of Law
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:02 PM
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13. if you send me word.doc on this i can edit it faster that you can
kick
GWB.

(i don't know how I have the damn account set up here, i.e. whether i'm set up to get pm) try it, if that doesn't work, i'll post an addy
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:59 PM
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18. I messaged you.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:54 PM
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15. What about this?
"A: The Ohio secretary of state's office spells out different procedures for recounts whether a county uses punch cards (in 68 of Ohio's 88 counties), optical scan ballots (13 counties) or touch-screen machines (seven counties). Each calls for first testing the tabulating machines by preparing a batch of test ballots, counting them by hand and then by machine to ensure the totals match. If they don't, hand counts ensue for either punch card or optical scan ballots."

This section worries me; unless the machines were impounded how can anyone be sure they run the counts on the machines that were actually used? And that they weren't tampered with? Does anyone know if the machines were impounded and put under SAFE guard?
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rehema Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:32 PM
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40. Ohio's Official Recount Procedure
For some reason I cannot create a new topic so I am posting under replies.

Anyway I got this from Ohio's State Board of Elections website

OUTLINE OF OHIO RECOUNT PROCEDURES
(R.C. 3515)
A. ELIGIBILITY
1. Automatic Recount
a) In a statewide election, a recount is required if the margin of votes is one-fourth of one percent or less.
2. Requested Recount
a) Any candidate who was not declared elected may request, in writing, a recount of the votes cast in any precinct for all candidates for the particular office.

B. APPLICATION
1. Written Application for a Requested Recount
a) A written application for a requested statewide recount must be filed within 5 days after the certification of the official count with the secretary of state.
2. Deposit
a) The applicant must file a deposit equal to ten dollars ($10) for each precinct to be recounted.

C. BEFORE THE RECOUNT
1. Establish Time of the Recount
a) No recount may be held prior to the official canvass and certification. The board of elections must fix the time, method and place of the recount. A recount must be held within 10 days after the declaration of official results or 10 days after an application is filed.
2. Notice To Candidates
a) Boards of elections must notify all candidates in the race of the time and place by certified mail not later than five days before an automatic or requested recount is held.
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3. Witnesses
a) Each candidate in the race is entitled to one witness for each counting team or tabulating unit.
b) A witness may observe, but not interfere with the recount nor touch the ballots.
c) Appointments of witnesses must be in writing, signed by the candidate.

D. STOPPING A RECOUNT
1. At any time after a recount is ordered, but before the recount is held, the declared losing candidate or issue chairperson may file a written request to stop the recount. If more than one losing candidate is entitled to the recount, each of the candidates must file such written request. The board must grant the request.
2. At any time during a recount, the declared losing candidate or candidates or issue chairperson may file a written request to stop the recount. If the board finds that results of the recount at that point will not change the official results, the recount is stopped. If the board finds otherwise, the request to stop recounting must be denied and the recount continued until all ballots from the precincts involved have been counted.

E. RECOUNT PROCEDURES
1. All Voting Systems
a) The recount must be conducted by teams having equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans.
b) Total votes cast must be compared to the number of voters listed in the pollbook, poll list, or signature pollbook records. In the presence of at least two election officials of different political parties, the records must be available for visual inspection by witnesses. The witnesses shall not be permitted to handle the records.
c) Absentee ballot envelopes returned after the polls closed may be viewed by the witnesses. The observer may not see the actual ballots, only the ballot envelopes, which must still be sealed.
d) Disputed ballots may be settled as they arise by the board or by a majority of the employees designated as teams, if so delegated by the board.
e) Ballots must be handled only by members of the board, director, deputy director or other designated employees of the board.
f) Votes cast for write-in candidates must be checked to determine if the candidate is a qualified write-in candidate and for an overvoted ballot.
g) Witnesses may observe the inspection of the ballots.
2. Punch Cards
Test the Program
a) Prepare a new test deck of ballot cards that are punched and then manually count them. This deck must not be the same test deck used for the official count.
b) Process the test deck through the computer to verify that the computer count matches the hand count.
c) If the hand count and the computer count do not match, but the hand count is accurate, all ballots must be manually counted.
The Recount
a) Ballot cards must be inspected for hanging chad attached by one or two corners, mutilations, and other invalidities. If a chad is attached by three or four corners, a vote shall not be counted for that particular candidate, question or issue.
b) Over-votes and blank ballots may be separated from the stack at this time and placed at the top of the stack after the header cards.
c) Ballot page assemblies and rotation header cards must be checked for each precinct for candidate positions to verify that each candidate, question, or issue has been properly identified.
d) The board must randomly select whole precincts whose total equals at least 3% of the total vote. These precincts ballots must be manually counted.
e) Run the manually counted precincts through the computer.
f) If the computer count does not match the hand count, and after rechecking the manual count, the results are still not equal, all ballots must be hand counted. If the results of the computer count and the hand-counted ballots are equal, the remainder of the ballots may be processed through the computer and results tabulated electronically.
g) At the conclusion of the recount, the program must be retested using the pre-audited test deck.
3. Optical Scan
Test the Program
a) Prepare a test stack of ballots that are pre-marked and then manually count them.
b) Process the test stack through the tabulator to verify that the tabulator total matches the hand count.
The Recount
a) If the hand count and the computer count do not match, but the hand count is accurate, all the ballots must be manually counted.
b) Ballots must be inspected for mutilations and other invalidities.
c) Ballots must be checked for proper candidate position and to verify each candidate, question, or issue has been properly identified.
d) The board must randomly select whole precincts whose total equals at least 3% of the total vote and must manually count those precincts ballots.
e) Run the manually counted precincts through the tabulator.
f) If the tabulator count does not match the hand count, and after rechecking the manual count, the results are still not equal, all ballots must be hand counted. If the results of the tabulator count and the hand-counted ballots are equal, the remainder of the ballots may be processed through the tabulator.
g) At the conclusion of the recount, the program must be retested using the pre-audited test stack of ballots.
6. Direct Record Electronics (DRE)
Test the Program
a) Prepare a test cartridge.
b) Process the cartridge through the computer.
c) Verify that the cartridge results match the pre-determined votes cast for candidates, issues and questions.
d) If the totals do not match, check programming and rerun the test program until the totals match.
The Recount
a) Check the public counters and protective counters to verify that the numbers on those counters correspond to verify that the numbers on those counters correspond with the pollbook, poll list, or signature pollbook records.
b) Check the rotation on those machines to verify that they match the proper candidates, questions, or issues.
c) Process cartridges through the tabulator. If the totals are different than the totals of the official count, compare cartridge totals against paper audit trail report.
d) At the conclusion of the recount, the program must be retested using the pre-audited cartridge.
The procedures described in this outline are the basic requirements for conducting a recount. If the board of elections feels the results warrant further investigation at any period during the conduct of the recount, it may institute more rigorous recounting procedures, such as hand counting a larger percentage of precincts, using programming options that total over-votes and/or under-votes, hand counting all precincts, etc.
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http://serform2.sos.state.oh.us/sos/news/guide/recount....
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:49 PM
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10. some nitpicky editing stuff
here some suggestions/thoughts:


voter irregularities makes it sound like the *voters are irregular, wasn't it the voting that was off? :)

AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, AS ARE

but to simply verify --> but simply to verify

be sure to do a spell check, there are some minor typos (inaccurate, followup

THE NEW HAMPSIRE RECOUNT. It is underway. --> THE NEW HAMPSIRE RECOUNT is underway.

w/The -- do you want that abbreviated? or with the

"fraud-auditing" -- what a lovely word. it sound so good. (bet we'll be gettin some bushism-mileage off THAT one)

to the recount organizations -- do you want /need? to call them "non-partisan" (wasn't kos blogging about that recently?)

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:56 PM
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12. from a graphic designer's perspective
I've learned that people tend to skip large chunks of type. It's best to use different size & weight fonts for headings and have content edited for concision into (bulleted) lists.

please don't shoot the messenger, this has just been my experience as a web & graphic designer... I can't help that most people's attention span is very short.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:57 PM
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16. i hear you. wont shoot. its just rough... all this feedback is good.
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cguttman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:42 PM
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14. Feedback plus More Urgent Votefraud Actions
I don't understand why you say that these actions are just to make sure people's votes count but aren't supposed to overturn the election: this is the Dem line because they are afraid of the media calling them kooks or sore losers or something. Sure an investigation and recount might not overturn election--but it mightif Kerry get enough legal votes. The concession was political, not legal and can be retracted during this time. But Kerry doesn't even have to do that. Now that the Greens and Libertarians are asking for a recount in Ohio, if they happen to find enough legal votes for Kerry, he wins. Period!

Anyway, besides objecting to that part, here is my list of actions--the first one, contacting Blackwell is the most important. You might have some of these but look it all over and use (and do) the ones you don't have.

(1) URGENT: Contact Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell Right Away : A new ruling after the election in Cuyahoga County stated that provisional ballots in yellow packets must be Rejected if there is no date of birth on the packet. The Free Press obtained copies of the original Provisional Verification Procedure from Cuyahoga County which stated Date of birth is not mandatory and should not reject a provisional ballot. The original procedure required the voters name, address and a signature that matched the signature in the countys database. http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985

In addition, once the provisional ballots start being counted this Saturday (it will probably take a few days), anytime there is a question of the legality of one of the ballots it will be voted on by two Democrats and two Republicans. If there is a tie (which I assume in most cases there would be), Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell breaks the tie before the count is certified .

CONTACT BLACKWELL NOW:
Blackwell is a partisan Republican but he has backed down in the face of pressure before so please contact him today--it could effect Ohio official count and the fate of the presidency!

Say Something Like: "The new rule requiring birthdays on the outside of provional vote packets is outrageous and must be negated! Furthermore, whenever when you are urged to break ties in provisional ballot disputes, I strongly urge you not to exclude votes based on technicalities. It is immoral to disenfranchise people in this way! "

J. Kenneth Blackwell
180 E. Broad St., 16th Floor
Columbus, OH 43215
614-466-2585, ask to be transferred to where you can make comment on elections
Email: blackwell@sos.state.oh.us


(2)HELP FUND A RECOUNT IN OHIO: There is also exciting new information about recounting Ohio. David Cobb in conjuntion with Michael Badnarik, the 2004 presidential candidates for the Green and Libertarian parties, today announced their intentions to
file a formal demand for a recount of the presidential ballots cast in Ohio.

(a)The Cobb and Badnarik campaigns are in the process of raising the required fee, estimated at $110,000, for filing for a complete recount. The campaigns are accepting contributions through their websites. The Cobb-LaMarche website is http://www.votecobb.org http://www.votecobborg/ >. The Badnarik-Campagna contribution page is https://badnarik.org .

(b)You can also help pay for a Ohio recount by sending your tax deductible check paying into this special fund set up to:

--Raising funds needed for a recount of the votes cast for President in Ohio
--Expert investigation of how votes were tallied
--Publicly reporting and acting to uphold the rule of law in Ohio and the
United States.
http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/html/eng/2138-AA... .

--There is another fund set up for recounts all around the country
http://www.helpamericarecount.org

--Email your representatives to ask the General Accounting Office to investigate evoting machines
http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?ite...

--Email your representatives to ask for voting reform
http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?Ite...

--Here is another petition, this one demanding a congressional investigation of the integrity of the voting process
http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote /

Help These Two Organizations Prove Fraud
There is anecdotal evidence of widespread fraud with the paperless voting machines. There are two groups working to uncover hard evidence who need your support

(a) Please support the work of http://blackboxvoting.org -with donations and/or volunteer work--they need to raise $50,000 to file freedom of info act requests for as quickly as possible to pay for records and the fees some states charge for them. If you can't donate funds http://www.eservicescorp.com/form.aspx?fID=912 , please donate time.

E-mail to join the Cleanup Crew. (they need all types from doing grunt work, to lawyers and programers) crew@blackboxvoting.org

(b) Please also contribute to Votewatch http://www.votewatch.us . They need $250,000 to do a professional statistical analysis of the election which can be used as hard evidence.

This is an excellent organization that has been conservative in its approach, using highly respected statisticians and developing trusted relationships with key media contacts. They are collecting and analyzing data to determine if there was fraud in the election as seems to be indicated by the 5% (or so) discrepancy between exit polls and reported results from the touch screen voting with no paper trail vs. the other types of voting where exit polls closely matched reported results.

If you decide to move forward with a tax-deductible contribution, please make your check payable to Votewatch (ID# 94-3255070) and send it to:

Votewatch
c/o: The San Francisco Foundation Community Initiative Foundation
(SFFCIF)
Attn: David Barlow
225 Bush Street
Suite 500
San Francisco, CA 94104

Smaller donations can be made online through the website
http://www.votewatch.us
_________________
take care, Cheryl

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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. I hear you.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 07:10 PM by henslee
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Hi cguttman!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:50 PM
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20. www.votewatch.us
http://www.votewatch.us/ee/view_observations

pretty good database of "irregularities".....
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:53 PM
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21. "wildly inaccurate exit polls" bothers me
"large disparities between exit polls and votes recorded" would be more accurate, I think.

The exit polls were probably not inaccurate, and such disparities when discovered during election monitoring in other countries are usually flagged as indications of potential vote fraud.
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:19 PM
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23. Roger that. The Exit Polls were RIGHT
n/t
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. is there anything wrong with "discrepancies between exit polls
and tallies" (that had been my suggestion earlier, but once again got lost in my innernet illiteracy).
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:15 PM
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31. or maybe
"discrepancies between exit polls and results as reported on election night"
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #31
38. Yep...much better . eom
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:54 PM
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22. accounting vs. accountability
didn't i read somewhere (NYT) that they'd officially changed the name of GAO from accounting to accountability ? (they're consistent, give em that)
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:23 PM
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24. GAO -- Government Accountability Office
See they did, I knew they did

http://www.gao.gov /

This may be relevant to other docs people are working on: used to be General Accounting Office (I though?), but now it is definitely Government Accountability Office--how nice of them to have made that change for us!
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:40 PM
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26. NEW VERSION--One more look?
OK, i didn't fiddle much with this--I still think the last line could be punchier. How bout this: (i felt we needed some "we" in there. yeah a lot of "we")
"The time is now. We have deadlines to meet. We must protect the integrity of our Democracy. Now."

Please one more round of feedback? then i'll make any changes and send back as file...


DESPITE THE BIG MEDIA BLACKOUT, 2004 ELECTION RECOUNT EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY IN BOTH OHIO AND NEW HAMPSHIRE. SO ARE INVESTIGATIONS INTO WIDESPREAD VOTER IRREGULARITIES AND FRAUD. TAKE ACTION NOW!

The goal of these efforts is not to overturn the election, but to verify the integrity of our voting system for future elections. Here are the details. For further updates, visit: http://www.blackboxvoting.org

VOTING IRREGULARITIES. Widespread, documented reports of voting irregularities and disenfranchisement as well sweeping discrepancies between exit polls and tallies have prompted a grass roots movement of millions of Americans now demanding that Electronic Voting methods be scrutinized.

THE GAO INVESTIGTION. After documented voting irregularities surpassed 30,000 & vote counting errors in Ohio, Florida reached the tens of thousands, Congressmen Conyer, Nadler & Waxler formally requested an urgent investigation by the Government Accountability Office. Their letter to the GAO and follow-up letters signed by six more congressmen are posted here: http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats / (under late breaking news).

THE NEW HAMPSHIRE RECOUNT. It is underway. 14 counties are being recounted at the request of candidate Ralph Nader. Luckily, these counties have a paper trail and the accuracy of electronic voting can be determined. Details at: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041112-033826 ...

THE OHIO RECOUNT. A full-state recount is almost underway at the request of Green and Libertarian Candidates, Cobb and Badnarik. Contributions are urgently needed. Details at: http://www.votecobb.org

MORE RECOUNTS & AUDITS: Contributions to the following efforts are urgently needed:

HELP AMERICA COUNT is a 527 working with the National Ballot Integrity Project and BlackBoxVoting.org to raise money for recounts, audits and court challenges in Florida & Ohio.
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/index.html

ALLIANCE FOR DEMOCRACY is raising funds for an independent OHIO recount and an investigation of irregularities. Website: http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/html/eng/2138-AA ...

BLACKBOXVOTING.ORG also plans on fraud-auditing Florida, Nevada & New Mexico. For details: http://www.blackboxvoting.org /

THINGS YOU CAN DO NOW:

1. Contribute to the recount organizations above.

2. Contact your local reps: http://www.house.gov/writerep / & here:
http://www.congress.org / Tell them you want all the votes counted and you object to
electronic voting with no paper trail.

3. Contact the GAO here: Ask them to investigate.
http://www.gao.gov/fraudnet/fraudnet.htm

Deadlines are approaching. WE must act NOW. WE must take protect the integrity of our Democracy.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:56 PM
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28. Nice job. see a quick typo, left out 2nd "as" towards the end of the line
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 08:59 PM by henslee
which starts with "VOTER IRREGULARITIES"

In GAO INVESTIGATION paragraph, maybe an "and" between Ohio and Florida. No problem if you want to leave out N. Carolina.

To punch up last line.. maybe say something like...Deadlines are fast approaching . (on edit) No one but us, can make "them" accountable... or something like that.

I wil read it again. Thanks again.

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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:06 PM
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30. N. Carolina?
Did I accidently delete something there? If so...you can make the change. I'll send it over.

Do you know anyone else who needs to be made aware of the change in name for GAO -- don't remember when they made that, but not very long ago, so it's possible that "General Accounting Office" is slipping through elsewhere.

god the ironies are without number.

If anyone else has editing they need let me know--i think I can hold out for a little longer...I just decided last week I had to put my LIFE on hold to dosomething.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:16 PM
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32. you went above and beyond. And now that your talents are known....you
may just be innundated with requests. Good catch on "Accountability".
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:18 PM
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33. Anybody want this flyer (in msword) just PM me w/email. Lets get viral.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:12 PM
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42. OKAY, HERE IS THE FINISHED FLYER/text only. MSWORD version looks great.
I will send it to anyone who IM'S me. If you are too new to IM, post a request in this thread and I will email you via DU. Thanks everyone who worked on this. I tried to incorporate all your excellent links.

(flyer)

DESPITE THE BIG MEDIA BLACKOUT, 2004 ELECTION RECOUNT EFFORTS ARE UNDERWAY IN BOTH OHIO AND NEW HAMPSHIRE. SO ARE INVESTIGATIONS INTO WIDESPREAD VOTER IRREGULARITIES AND FRAUD. TAKE ACTION NOW!

The goal of these efforts is not to overturn the election, but to verify the integrity of our voting system for future elections. Here are the details. For further updates, visit: http://www.blackboxvoting.org

VOTING IRREGULARITIES. Widespread, documented reports of voting irregularities and dis- enfranchisement as well as sweeping discrepancies between exit polls and tallies have prompted a grass roots movement of millions of Americans now demanding that Electronic Voting methods be scrutinized.

THE GAO INVESTIGATION. After documented voting irregularities surpassed 30,000 & vote counting errors in Ohio, Florida and North Carolina reached the tens of thousands, Congressmen Conyer, Nadler & Waxler formally requested an urgent investigation by the Government Accountability Office. Their letter to the GAO and follow-up letters signed by six more congress- men are posted here: http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats (under late breaking news).

THE NEW HAMPSHIRE RECOUNT. It is underway. 14 counties are being recounted at the request of candidate Ralph Nader. Luckily, these counties have a paper trail and the accuracy of electronic voting can be determined. Details at: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041112-033826...

THE OHIO RECOUNT. A full-state recount is almost underway at the request of Green and Libertarian Candidates, Cobb and Badnarik. Contributions are urgently needed. Details at: http://www.votecobb.org

MORE RECOUNTS & AUDITS: Contributions to the following efforts are urgently needed:

HELP AMERICA COUNT is a 527 working with the National Ballot Integrity Project and BlackBoxVoting.org to raise money for recounts, audits and court challenges in Florida & Ohio.
http://www.helpamericarecount.org/index.html

ALLIANCE FOR DEMOCRACY is raising funds for an independent OHIO recount and an investigation of irregularities. Website: http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/html/eng/2138-AA...

BLACKBOXVOTING.ORG also plans on fraud-auditing Florida, Nevada & New Mexico. For details: http://www.blackboxvoting.org /

THINGS YOU CAN DO NOW:

1. Contribute to the recount organizations above.

2. Contact your local reps: http://www.house.gov/writerep / & here: http://www.congress.org Tell them you want all the votes counted and you object to electronic voting with no paper trail.

3. Contact the GAO here: http://www.gao.gov/fraudnet/fraudnet.htm Ask them to investigate.

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:

VOTERGATE, a 30 min documentary film exposing the truth about computer voting systems can be downloaded for free at: http://www.votergate.tv

Check out the EIRS INTERACTIVE MAP that details state by state, county by county, all 33,748 election incidents reported in 2004. https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapNation&...


Deadlines are fast approaching. WE MUST ACT NOW. We cant count on anyone but ourselves to protect the integrity of our democracy.
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. The Synchronicities going on here are
mindboggling....

I don't pay attention to that stuff and I know it was back in the doomsday days that they made the change and I certainly was trying my damndest NOT to pay attention to what they were doing then.... though Hager and Fallujah were and still are pretty hard to ignore...not to mention
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:25 PM
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34. simplify it? sugg here
too much stuff on the page, I think but then you know your audience. I've put out lots of flyers over the past few months.

1. simply: less information, not more; go to pressing issues first and that would be first Ohio recount; then and at the same time hammer on FL; NC is also sitting duck but FL and OH most important.

what state are you in?

this is what I have sent out; I've been whamming away at the internet at the newspaper reporters in NC.


1. Zogby report on FL malfeasance: http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10398

2. you want to see some of the voting irregularities ( in FL so you can ask for a recount like OH is doing? 2 sites that I know of so far (DOZENs for FL):


https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapCounty&... (sort it by your own state)

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction.asp


3. And the FL vote has been changed (from 11.3 to today) and a marvel: none of the percentages have changed. Amazing FL BOE! the way they do work is wonderous:

http://www.zogby.com/soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=10398


4. And one of your own refuses to throw in the towel re: his Congressional race. Go here and look at the lowdown re: some bits of how your election was hacked:

http://www.JeffFisherforCongress.com


5. And if you have the smoking gun information you can make yourself a cool 100 grand (this is no joke):

"Justice Through Music" <reward@jtmp.org >



6. here are the people moving your information around: go here for a rich source of information you'll never read in the newspapers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


7. a few more dollars are needed for that OH recount and go here to contribute (then we need to start you an account in a similar manner): http://www.votecobb.org /
8. Here is an overall synopsis as of about 6 p.m. today, Sunday, November 14th: http://www.nov2truth.org /

GET ON BOARD FLORIDIANS: WERE LOOKING FOR YOU!!
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:27 PM
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36. chomskysright?
i thought he was on our side :)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #26
41. A FEW MORE COMMENTS
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 09:52 PM by snot
TERRIFIC!

I'm having trouble getting my comments to stick in the copy I made of your text so I'll have to narrate. "BIG" blackout--to me, "big" sounds paranoid; I'd delete it.

Check use of "voter irregularities"--the voters were fine; it was the election or tabulation that was irregular.

Misspelling in Investigation.

Counting errors in Ohio, Florida - I'd delete the comma, replace with an &--easier to parse.

Contact your local reps - it's really gov'l, and not just local.

Again, great job!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:53 PM
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27. Please add:
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:04 PM
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29. Awesome link Carol.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:29 PM
Original message
& absolutely add voting irreg report/ state
these two sites are the ones I have: that gives people a long hard look at all the documented episodes; I included it in what I just sent you: (you need to reshape the first URL so its more general)


https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapCounty&... (sort it by your own state)

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction.asp


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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:29 PM
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37. & absolutely add voting irreg report/ state
these two sites are the ones I have: that gives people a long hard look at all the documented episodes; I included it in what I just sent you: (you need to reshape the first URL so its more general)


https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapCounty&... (sort it by your own state)

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction.asp


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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:30 PM
Original message
& absolutely add voting irreg report/ state
these two sites are the ones I have: that gives people a long hard look at all the documented episodes; I included it in what I just sent you: (you need to reshape the first URL so its more general)


https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapCounty&... (sort it by your own state)

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction.asp


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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:30 PM
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39. & absolutely add voting irreg report/ state
these two sites are the ones I have: that gives people a long hard look at all the documented episodes; I included it in what I just sent you: (you need to reshape the first URL so its more general)


https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapCounty&... (sort it by your own state)

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction.asp


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