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FullCountNotRecount Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:08 PM
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OH Suppression: Minority precincts given unreadable punchcards!
Different weight papers don't read as well in machines!

Source: Counselor Petroikas (sp) Election Protection Attorney in Ohio on Election day as he told Cliff Kelley on public affairs program in Chicago WVAZ-FM 6-8 CST Sunday, November 14, 2004.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:10 PM
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1. OMG! The plot thickens! n/t
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neohippie Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:17 PM
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2. This should be looked at in all states with optiscan machines
Somebody should be looking at this in other states. We need to know about all of the ways that vote suppression is carried out, so that we can prevent this from continuing to occur.
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:17 PM
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3. Was that some of the 80-pound paper the registrations were
supposed to be on? :think:
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:21 PM
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4. There you go!
As soon as I read the original post I wondered that, too. LOL! It is not exactly surprising that this is Ohio we're talking about here, is it? Not coincidental in the slightest.

I can't wait until Cobb and Badnarik get their recount after the initial count is completed.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:26 PM
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6. Hello?
The registration paper is the paper you register on. They don't put it into the machine to count your vote. LOL.
These two are completely unrelated.
:eyes:
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idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:28 PM
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14. Of course, I know that! But, if Blackwell wanted to use that
as a way to disallow the registrations, maybe someone realized they could still use different weight card stock to disallow actual votes.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:24 PM
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5. Hell no.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 03:28 PM by lizzy
Punch card and registration paper are completely different things. Punchcard is your ballot-you poke holes in it with a little tool (those are the same that produce hanging chads and pregnant chads). The registration paper is something you submit when you register.
No relationship whatsoever.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:27 PM
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7. But understand how the 'confusion' could cause punch votes not to be
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 03:28 PM by patdem
counted...see perfectly innocent... :grr:

oops!
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:29 PM
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8. There would be no confusion.
LOL. Those are not the same things at all. If somebody made defective punchcards-well, that is not due to confusion.
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FullCountNotRecount Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:32 PM
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9. Not defective: Just heavier weight that does not read
when put through the tabulator everytime. Clever ruse, huh?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:39 PM
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11. If tabulator can't read the punchcard because it's on heavy paper-
then the punchcard is defective, I would think.
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FullCountNotRecount Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:23 PM
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12. No it reads some and not others so it's recorded as undervote...
this is what happened in Florida. It decreases Kerry's votes and increases Bush's.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:30 PM
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13. Marked with an alcohol -based ink...
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 06:35 PM by Karenina
So einfach ist das! :silly:

On edit: I'm getting overwhelmed by the myriad creative ways to suppress the vote. You're talking punchcards and paper weight, I'm talking ovals and opti-scans.

BACK TO MONO!!! One overhead mike. Press RECORD!!!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:36 PM
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10. As soon as you can find a transcript of this program, link it up
I would be very interested to see it. . .
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:35 PM
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15. I assume the official punchcards are mass produced, uniform, and identical
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 12:42 PM by NewYorkerfromMass
Different, unreadable, punchcards would have to be introduced as a deliberate act of sabatoge.
I think this is unlikely, but do want to see more facts.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:39 PM
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16. George W. Bush, the "Coinkydink prezzident"
EVERYTHING is a coincidence with this guy. EVERYTHING just happens to fall into place, all in his favor.

What a coinkydink!
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:51 PM
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17. this is really getting to be too much
That the election numbers (as they stand now) were even close, no matter how many ways the bad guys tried to invalidate registrations, quash voter turnout, limit the number of machines in Democratic districts, and nullify Democratic votes says so much about how high (and how determined) the true level of support for Kerry was.
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