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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:20 PM
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Illinois Republican seeking funds to investigate vote fraud
http://www.belleville.com/mld/newsdemocrat/10178916.htm

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Steve Reeb and fellow Republican and board member Kyle McCarter vowed to continue fighting the "Democratic machine."

Reeb lost the election to Democratic candidate Mark Kern, the Belleville mayor, by more than 4,000 votes. But he said he has a public mandate to fight vote fraud across the county.

Reeb announced earlier this week he would halt legal efforts to contest the election. But at a rally in O'Fallon Park, Reeb said he will conduct a grass-roots investigation into voter fraud -- including long lines at the polls that he said could have dissuaded voters in GOP strongholds such as O'Fallon.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:23 PM
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1. ps
Google search for 'election fraud' yields *a lot* more results for the US election than it did a couple days ago.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:26 PM
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2. i hope he does investigate
and if he finds dems cheating they should be prosecuted.

of course I would expect him to do the same if he found reps cheating too.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:28 PM
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3. funny about google
there are now 13,800 results for 'election fraud' and NOT ONCE has anything related to this story been on the News landing page.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:28 PM
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4. let him!... the more the merrier
Actually, seeing recounts become more and more likely in several places will make it easier to force Congress to act to scrap the "proprietary code" machines for open sourcers, and encourage a strong move to a national standard to insure that we can trust our results!

-Can I please vote on a Vegas slot machine? They have MUCH better security-
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:33 PM
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6. That was my thought too! We can use the help! Hell, maybe he'll
realize that uncovering the "fraud" from the Democrats will show him he actually lost more votes! Ha!
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Shoeempress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:32 PM
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5. Hope they do a total recount, I don't hink Keyes got as many votes as
claimed
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:41 PM
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7. Wait a minute. He's claiming fraud because there was a line to vote?
:freak: And the fact that there was a line meant that, presumably, HIS voters couldn't be bothered to wait. So, he thinks it was the line's fault and not the serious lack of enthusiasm for him? ROFL!!!

Steve, buddy, if I was in line to vote for someone I believed in and it took me 12 hours to vote, I'd wait. They obviously didn't want you. At all. Surprise!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:58 PM
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8. that`s pretty funny
repubs bitching about election fraud-long lines?
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:01 PM
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9. count the vote, count the vote
ya know, at this point, i don't even care if they turn over the vote to repubs there. It would still prove the machines cannot be trusted.
and they can pay for it instead of us.
it's a win win situation.-
unless it's planned to make it look like dems cheated too, so who ya gonna blame?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:16 PM
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10. Well, looks like republicans aren't afraid to scream FRAUD.
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 03:18 PM by lizzy
Well, if long lines equal FRAUD, then there was plenty of FRAUD in democratic counties of OH.
Funny how none of the democrats are willing to raise a PEEP about that.
:mad:
Let him investigate why there were such long lines.
I don't see any democrats asking that question.
:argh:
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ZRB Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:17 PM
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11. A republican claiming fraud?
Look for the news media to make this the top story for the next six weeks.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:19 PM
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12. I don't think so.
Just the word FRAUD makes our media hide behind their desks.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:47 PM
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17. NO- the "DEMS did it too" bit actually strengthens OUR argument...
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 04:48 PM by Dr Fate
...that all these "glitches" need to be investigated.

They will bury this story too.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:21 PM
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13. Seems like more projection
They take their crimes and project it on us. They probably have been scrambling to find anywhere they could to find a spot to reverse this on us - but it had to be a place that would distract from the places they committed their crime. Also, this does not raise the electronic voting issue. So there would be little long term gain for us in that going forward. On the other hand, if there was fraud there it should be looked at as ALL other cases.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:46 PM
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16. I doubt the GOP is happy he is bringing this up...
...becuase w/ this info, it's harder for them to justifiy why they dont want to fight for their own votes too- unless they are hiding somthing...

Look for this to be swept under the rug too- the GOP knows that the "DEMS did it too" defense only STRENGTHENS the argument for an investigation.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 03:40 PM
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14. Good,
let's make it bi-partisan. Fraud, a bi-partisan issue.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:53 PM
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18. I'm with you.
Let's get ALL this mess out in the open. The more Repubs we've got on board, the better.

Somone send him a link to this forum. :evilgrin:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:19 PM
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19. Whoa...
That's going a little far :9
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:43 PM
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15. GOOD. I agree with him- sets have NATIONWIDE investigation & reform.
Perhaps this guy actually GETS IT.

It's not about who benefits- its about making evey vote count.
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:24 PM
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20. First thought: Is this The Onion?
Go on, Steve. Fight the "machine". I bet you'll find it ain't Democratic at all. And blessings on your endeavor.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:27 PM
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21. Pot meet kettle
Seriously, though, this is good--if Repukes challenge too, more people will see this as NOT being partisan (even though we know that it is)
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rehema Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:49 PM
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22. East St. Louis residents are predominately African Americans.
"Reeb and McCarter also said they will try to cut the county's funding of the East St. Louis Board of Elections to force its elimination, and return the authority to the St. Clair County Clerk's Office."

Note that East St. Louis residents are predominately African Americans.

Another way to say let's control African American voters.
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:57 PM
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23. good luck
as i have stated elsewhere (namely in "Open Letters to the President October 14-Nov 3, 2004" (yep, sent by email-- all sixty pages or so to the Prez and a few friends), this state will remain blue till they pry daley's cold dead fingers off the ballot box

and, uh gee, I dunno....there is one media outlet that is clearly clearly blue, blue in the face, blue in cyberspace...

On the subject of colors....getting back to the primary stuff...i sure would love to see some kind of ad campaign using

Republican Agenda 2004: White Out the Vote! Wipe Out the Voters! Blackout the Media!

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:03 PM
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24. I hope he goes for it.
Every vote should count, whether it's for or against my candidate.
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